Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:28:58 -0800 (PST) From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #97 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Today's Topics: 1. clear plastic face shields (Steven Drape) 2. Better knife training helmets ? (Dave Belanger) 3. RE: Legal stuff (Todd Ellner) 4. Local/Cable TV pgms? (Ray Terry) 5. Re: Certification (Eagle556@aol.com) 6. Martial Arts & Legal Use of Force (AnimalMac@aol.com) 7. Re: Knife practice (Eagle556@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:07:09 +0300 From: "Steven Drape" To: Subject: [Eskrima] clear plastic face shields Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I would like something with a clear plastic to induce blinking when struck in the face. Shop glasses and goggles don't offer enough protection against full force strikes. I don't know what might be available today, but we used to try to use the padded headgear with a plastic face shield, and we did try a mc helmet, but the plastic always got steamed up, even with openings put in, and we ended up going to a combination of goggles along with some other kind of head gear We were never able to get the clear plastic to work well. Maybe someone has figured out a solution to this problem by now. Steve [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/gif] [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type Image/jpeg] --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 05:56:04 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Belanger Subject: [Eskrima] Better knife training helmets ? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I use racketball goggles and dry erase markers. My students wear a fresh white t-shirt and then enjoy checking each others "wounds" after matches. Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Todd Ellner" To: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:49:08 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Legal stuff Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >What is a good source for education? I have Ayoob's >book _In The Gravest Extreme_, as suggested by Animal. >Thank you for any suggestions. I'd strongly urge anyone who studies the martial sciences to cut loose the few hundred bucks and take LFI-1 or at least the first part (Judicious Use of Deadly Force). I'm saving up for the Use of Deadly Force Instructor course. It's a lot of time and money, but someone who prepares a student to go out and kick booty without an understanding of the legal and ethical issues involved is doing them a disservice. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:28:08 PST Subject: [Eskrima] Local/Cable TV pgms? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On one of our local cable TV channels there is a weekly program entitled California Judo Today. Just a low budget nothing flashy program that does various spots on Judo dojos around California, training at the Olympic Training Center, interviews with movers-n-shakers in Judo, etc. Not instructional, but informational. Just wondering if y'all have anything like that for Eskrima / FMA? Are you perhaps involved with same? If so, comments??? Thanks. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Eagle556@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:33:40 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Certification Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net <<< I think that instead of chasing black belts, like the average Karateka does, a lot of JKD/FMA people are chasing certificates...>>> I would have to wholeheartedly agree with this. It seems that in a lot of circles today the measure of a practitioner is in how many certificates they possess, how many seminars they have been to, or how many variations to the numerous preset drills they know. I liked it better when I first began training, no rank, no belts, no certificates, you knew what you knew and your stick spoke for you. What I find particularly frightening is that some individuals seem to think that a piece of paper magically produces a good practitioner or worse they seem to think that a piece of paper makes one an instructor. There was one post awhile back that wanted to know what the rest of the board thought about an instructor certificate from Khalid Khan. The measure of an instructor is in their students. If you are a student of someone then I observe you more than I do your instructor when I am gauging how good your instructor is. That is mainly how I judge an instructor. I would assume that if one is issued an instructor certificate then the one that issued it has observed the student when they are instructing and are comfortable in their instructional capability. As many know on this board instructing is not easy. I have known many great martial artists but a few of them couldn't teach worth a darn. I am very careful about who I allow to teach because they are a direct reflection on myself. Of course they could always simply start to teach without my permission but most honor my wishes as to when they can begin to teach outside a structured environment. In the end what I hope for is that they are good human beings, are courteous of others particularly those in other systems, are better instructors than I so that the art may grow, and produce students that are better then themselves. If this happens then I feel that the art is in good hands. Take care, Rob. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:35:18 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Martial Arts & Legal Use of Force Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From Marc MacYoung >Tuhon Bill McGrath posted << A person may...use physical force upon another person when and to the extent he reasonably believes such to be necessary to defend himself or a third person from what he reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful physical force by another person, unless: (a) The latter's conduct was provoked by the actor himself with the intent to cause physical injury to another person; or (b) The actor was the initial aggressor; except that in such case his use of physical force is justified if he has withdrawn from the encounter and effectively communicated such withdrawal to such other person but the latter persists in continuing the incident by the use or threatened imminent use of unlawful physical force..." >> It's those A and B clauses that will bite most people who think they can use a knife to "defend themselves" --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Eagle556@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:57:36 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Knife practice Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net <<< Are any of you using larger mesh grades? Do light motorcycle helmets exist? I kinda like the looseness of the fencing helmets because they move and disrupt the "victim." I'm interested in helmets < $100.>>> The first question that I would ask would be what is the main purpose of your knife training? Is it sparring or is it self defense because as you know the two are radically different. You might think about investing in one good quality helmet. Have the defender put on the good helmet and whatever else you might require in the way of protection then give the attacker the knife and have them attack. This would more closely resemble the knife altercations that I have witnessed or researched. It's very rare that both participants have knives or that both were able to deploy their knives. Often times the one being attacked isn't even aware of the knife until the knife is coming at them. There isn't a lot of brandishing if the attacker has it in their mind to do you serious harm. There are numerous examples of individuals not even being aware that they were cut until the altercation is over. Perhaps others with more experience would care to elaborate or offer different points of views. If you only have limited funds perhaps you could start off with only one helmet and this way you could still train and perhaps move your training closer to reality if this is indeed your goal. Take care, Rob. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest