Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 13:44:03 -0800 (PST) From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #110 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Today's Topics: 1. Ray Terry's Early American Judo (Jay de Leon) 2. Re: Drumming CD (Jesse Greenawalt) 3. Ground Zero Update (Ray Terry) 4. Judo in the RP (Ray Terry) 5. Law and Self Defense (AnimalMac@aol.com) 6. attacking blocks (Bill Dilley) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Jay de Leon" To: Cc: Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 00:55:43 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Ray Terry's Early American Judo Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray Terry, I cannot resist posting on this one. I cannot believe somebody in the digest would be old enough to have read Bruce Tegner's booklets then, much less admit to it. OK, I am another long term martial arts nut, er, enthusiast who actually owned a Bruce Tegner booklet then, when I was but a child in RP. In fact, it was actually the first martial arts book I owned. Of course, I have lost it by now and I am going purely by memory in describing it. It was a judo and self-defense book, with pictures at the top of the page and text below the pictures. Most of the pictures were of Tegner and his partner in a gi, demonstrating basic judo techniques. Towards the latter part of the book, he shows self defense techniques, like defense against a choke from the rear, etc., but this time he and his partner are wearing black wrestling shorts and shoes. I also remember one of the techniques shown was how to gouge an eye out. In the 50's and early 60's, Kudokan judo was the premiere "commercial" martial sports in the Philippines. Probably one of the reasons was that, at that time, the head of the NBI (National Bureau of Investigation, the equivalent of the FBI), Col. Lukban, was the highest ranking judoka in RP, and actively promoted judo with the help of Japanese Kudokan representatives. In fact, one of the biggest judo schools at that time was the NBI judo club, located somewhere near Taft Ave. in Manila, which was open to the public. It was, in fact, my first dojo ever, even though I was there for probably no more than a couple of months. My mom enrolled me during a summer vacation, probably between my 5th and 6th grade. It was there I got my first gi and first white belt, and the experience of falling on real tatami mats and seeing real black belts in action. It was a real positive experience for me, and whetted my appetite for more martial arts training. My cousin, arnis grandmaster Nes Fernandez of Daly City, CA, mentioned to me that he also trained there for a time, probably while he was going to school at nearby Ateneo at Padre Faura. It was not of course the last of my long judo experience. One of my early judo instructors was Jose "Pinggoy" Asuncion, who was a national judo champion from the well known Sampaloc judo club, where I also trained briefly. While he was my judo instructor, Pinggoy also gave demos on the Channel 7 Uncle Bob's TV show "Judo and Quick Draw" hosted by Eddie Limjap, another NBI agent who was both a judo and quick draw expert. Unfortunately for his students, Pinggoy with his rugged good looks and martial arts presence was "discovered" and signed to a long-term movie contract and eventually became action movie star Vic Vargas. He was followed by other equally competent and colorful instructors, but that's another movie. Jay de Leon http://www.lifecharge.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Jesse Greenawalt" To: Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 08:27:09 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Drumming CD Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The man's name is Brent Lewis. CDs are available at www.dogbrothers.com jester --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima), the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang), policedo@martialartsresource.net (Policedo) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 06:54:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] Ground Zero Update Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net 7 More Bodies Found at WTC Site Cops, firefighters and court officers By AUSTIN FENNER and GREG GITTRICH With Barbara Ross - Thursday, March 21, 2002 N.Y. Daily News A faded swatch of blue cloth peeking out from a hill of crushed steel and concrete immediately halted heavy machines at Ground Zero and led to the recovery of seven more bodies early yesterday. One of the victims was Moira Smith, the only NYPD policewoman killed at the World Trade Center. The other remains were of two Port Authority cops, a pair of state court officers and two firefighters. All seven died as they lived - thinking of others. "They appeared to be in the south tower lobby, where there was a command post," said Port Authority Lt. John Ryan, a recovery task force commander. "As people were evacuating the building, they were directing them out of the vast lobby to safety." The south tower collapsed at 9:50 a.m. Sept. 11. The unthinkable avalanche buried the heroic officers and firefighters alongside those they were trying to save. At least 35 bodies have been pulled this month from the collapsed lower floors and lobby of the tower - the last sizable hill of rubble at the site. Crews began to dig there March 4. Within the first half-hour, two bodies were found. Now, every few days the scorched earth gives back more. On Tuesday evening, Port Authority cops on the midnight shift - a grueling 12-hour span with few distractions - spotted a few inches of blue in the tangled debris. A heavy earth-moving machine moved back, and the cops and firefighters carefully began pulling away dirt, pulverized glass and bent metal. By 5 a.m. yesterday, they had dug out the seven victims. The medical examiner officially identified Smith last night. While DNA tests must still be done, recovery officials tentatively identified the two court officers through the serial numbers on their weapons as Thomas Jurgens and Mitchel Wallace. Smith, 38, was among the first to respond to the attacks and is credited with saving hundreds. "Don't look, keep moving," she said repeatedly to the dazed and injured fleeing the towers. After helping a bloodied broker to safety, she went back in. Only one other female law enforcement officer was killed that day, Port Authority police Capt. Kathy Mazza. Jurgens and Wallace did not have to be at the Trade Center. But they rushed there anyway. Jurgens, 26, had worked at Manhattan Supreme Court for four years. He jumped on a jury bus and rode to the towers after the first hijacked plane slammed into the complex. Wallace, 34, was not even in uniform when he went to help. He called his fiancee, Noreen McDonough, from the south tower and told her there had been a terrible accident. "It's not an accident," she told him. "Get out of there." "I can't," he said. "There are bodies everywhere. I got to go." "Sometimes you feel like it is a dream," Wallace's sister Michele Miller said. "Then you take a look at the skyline and say, yes, it did happen." Grim Recovery At least 35 bodies have been pulled this month from the collapsed lower floors and lobby of the south tower. March 4 - A steel ramp into the World Trade Center's deep basement opens. The south tower rubble - used for months as a road into the site - can now be excavated. Two bodies are found within the first half-hour. March 6 - Two city cops and the remains of an unknown number of civilians recovered. March 12 - The discovery of a firefighter's boot touches off a day-long dig that finds 15 bodies - 13 of them firefighters. March 13 - Four firefighters found. March 14 - Two bodies pulled from debris. One is a firefighter and the other is not immediately identifiable. March 17 - Unidentified body found. March 19 - Two firefighters recovered. March 20 - Seven bodies - an NYPD officer, two Port Authority cops, two court officers and two firefighters - pulled from debris. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 7:53:53 PST Subject: [Eskrima] Judo in the RP Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >In the 50's and early 60's, Kudokan judo was the premiere "commercial" martial >sports in the Philippines. Probably one of the reasons was that, at that time, >the head of the NBI (National Bureau of Investigation, the equivalent of the >FBI), Col. Lukban, was the highest ranking judoka in RP, and actively promoted >judo with the help of Japanese Kudokan representatives. In fact, one of the >biggest judo schools at that time was the NBI judo club, located somewhere >near Taft Ave. in Manila, which was open to the public. Manong Cacoy was a Judoka, I think he made it to 3rd Dan. He told me that if he hadn't been born a Canete, starting his Eskrima practice at the age of 7 under his older brother Momoy, he would have probably made Judo his primary art... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 12:34:35 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Law and Self Defense Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From Marc MacYoung Todd said >The hard part, as always, is figuring out exactly what your students need. Marc and I have butted heads over this any number of times. Some people need more inhibitions against using force, violence, whatever you want to call it. Some need disinhibition. A lot of the Art of teaching lies in making the right choices and tailoring your instruction to serve those ends. I agree, often I have found the challenge is to take students up or down to the level of legal use of force and common sense. This is often made difficult because many of the people who come through the door are looking for something else than self-defense training. And that undeclared agenda colors what they want to learn and do -- much less hear. I was watching "Blow" with Johnny Depp last night. I paticularly like the part where the drug dealer is standing infront of the judge saying "It's just a imaginary line that I crossed and I don't think I should be punished for it" The judge laughes and says "Unfortunately, the line you crossed is very real and it is illegal." No matter how much the student does or want to know these "lines" exist, they do. I said >I make this comment based on the observation of >many senior police officers/training officers who commonly agree that it is >the young rookie who thinks he can "fight" who is the least likely to seek to >deescalate or talk a situation to a peaceful conclusion. >Todd said >Apples and pineapples, I'm afraid. You may well be right, but dojo bums and cops don't overlap that much. Too bad, they have a lot to learn from each other. The strengths of one possibly could serve to brace up the foibles of the other -- or at least serve to keep each the other from "floating" off into their own little self-reinforcing worlds. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Bill Dilley" To: Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:06:01 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] attacking blocks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi my name is Bill Dilley N5859 shaw hill rd. Beaver Dam Wi 53916. I have been in Inayan escrima since 93. I am very interested in the dog brother videos. Would it be possible to send info for me so I can order thes videos. Thans for your help and all input to FMA. Bill --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest