Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 06:30:24 -0800 (PST) From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #118 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Today's Topics: 1. Re: Swain mats (GuroJeff@aol.com) 2. Swain mats (Tom Skoglind) 3. Re: Absorb what is useful (Bladewerks@aol.com) 4. What is useful (Travis F.) 5. Technique of the Quarter (Michael Barnes) 6. about Krav Maga (trisula32@comcast.net) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: GuroJeff@aol.com Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 22:33:12 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Swain mats Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net i had used swain mats (gold medal) in my commercial school... i loved them, they looked great, felt great... firm, yet enough of a cushion to take just about any fall... good surface for kicking or any type of martial art related activity, very tough material... i loved them. i recommend them highly, Ray. sincere respects, Jeff Chung http://JeffChung.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Tom Skoglind" To: Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 22:19:59 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] Swain mats Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net We have two separate workout areas covered with Swain mats. One floor has the 1 1/2 inch, and the other the 2 inch. They make a great workout surface, and even on the thinner ones, falls (even big time Aikido/Judo slams) are very "nice". After first installation, they seemed to move around a bit, leaving some gaps between mats, but after they settled (and after several re-joining sessions) they stay put pretty well. Cosmetically, the color can vary from square to square, but overall I enjoy training on them a great deal. They give the school a nice look, and they feel good under the feet. My .02 FWIW... Tom Skoglind IFE Instructor www.inayaneskrima.com skoglind@inayaneskrima.com Inayan Systems International --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Bladewerks@aol.com Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:25:47 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Absorb what is useful Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray, Like you said it all depends on what the ultimate goal is.Is it teaching/fighting/representing a given style? Also the question must be asked...can both goals be achived? I belive they can.Can I find my truth in combat and also help others find thier truth as well? Can I do that as well as teach the curriculum for a specific style?And be loyal to that style? ABSOLUTLY!!!! Can I go outside of my style and utilize things and still be loyal to a signal style? I think so.But what happen when the top dogs of a specific style dont like that? I think that brings a whole lot of other problems.Political ones.Not conceptual ones. I would say that if I dont know what the search for truth in combat--/stickfighting/knife/sword/NHB/ect.--looks like and what that search involves ,more than likely I wont be able to help others find thier way to thier personal truth.(If that is my goal) Even if you are able to graduate students to a high level in a given style of martial art, that does not translate into "truth in combat". You dont have to be into JKD to be into your "search for truth in combat". Look at all the NHB fighters. No disrespect to Bruce Lee, but that search was around a long time before he came to the scene.So was the concept of absorbing what is useful for combat. I agree that "IF" you plan to teach you must not "disgard" or at least not forget many things that may be useful for students of all types.Also, given enough passing of time the personal "need" for that technique that was once disgarded may surface again, and this time it may fit. Barry Meadows Sweat More-Bleed Less --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Travis F." To: Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:48:19 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] What is useful Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray writes: > Referencing the famous (infamous?) quote from Sigung Bruce Lee: > > "The truth will be different for each individual. Research your own truths. > Absorb what is useful. Discard what is useless." > Excellent point Ray. But it is also true that no one individual or teacher has a monopoly on the truth. At some point if a student is truly a martial artist they need to lookout side their given training to grow. So how much a teacher knows in pure volume of information is only of middling relevance IMHO. What I truly think is great about the JKDC "clan", if you will, is that because of their openness they have an awesome symbiotic relationship with a multitude of excellent martial arts AND martial artists - they all grow becuase of it, or at least the potential is there. This exposure to varying methods is often just the catalyst needed to serve for new and incremental discoveries. Mass acumlation is not what it is all about. A successive progression based on maximum efficiency while protecting yourself and dispatching the opponent is it, at least to me. Simply put finding a better way to do things - not necessarily more ways. Candidly while such things as foreign language, culture, and viewpoints up to and including "phraselogy", principles, concepts, etc. are nice and honestly interesting ultimately they are but baggage when it comes to a physical encounter. Skill in motion is the prime importance. Well and as Animal is keen to mention "verbal de-escalation" if possible but that is a skill too. Though perhap an unfavorable statement at the moment, I do agree with the "hack away the unessential" FOR the fighter and self defense inclined. Teachers really aren't afforded this opportunity for the point you mentioned. Look at Thai boxing arguably the best striking game going it - comes down to round kicks, teeps or foot jabs, knee, punches and elbows. Yes there are many variations but essentially it comes down to those 5 techniques. Yes those are only the striking skills too but how many fighters excel at all five? Most don't. They really excel at a few or are exceptional at one or two. The hours they train far exceed the majority of us who are not professional MA'ers! But again the flip side, particularly for a teacher, is how many times would you expect someone to return and do the same stuff over and over? Variety is more commercially viable. When I was in Okinawa learning karate, for many considered perhaps the epitome of "classicalism", I had a 10th dan system head, Eizo Shimabukuro, tell me if I was interested in self defense and fighting to train only one kata! Learn it's technique and applications well and use them in sparring, and do bag work and hit the makiwara - hone your skill more, rather than accumlate more and more material. He also stated if I wanted to teach I had to learn them all. As it was I did learn them all but never have taught the style/system and probably won't. There are some applications I hang onto, use and share though. Like the man said a good teacher is but a guide, a poineeer to the truth that the student most discover for themselves. Ultimately a student is their own teacher. Hopefully using empirical and logical methods for sucessive progression rather than wallowing in any particular dogma! "After all, the usefulness...is in pointing away from itself to the light which illuminates.. all" Bruce Lee Guru / Guro "one who dispels darkness" Mediation is not about imaging figures of light but about making the darkness conscious - Carl Jung. Have a good holiday! Travis Ps Had the good fortune to train a little today with Pete Marro who is now in his seventies. A kumi-uchi (ju-jitsu) practioner who along with Capt. Kearns was involved in training Army Rangers in WWII and the Korean conflict. It is all self defense stuff, alot of material against guns, clubs and knives. High class stuff, among some of the best I've seen. Anway it's rumored to have input from British SAS who may have had exposure to silat and burmese arts due to the UK involvement in Burma and Malaysia. Funny a particular strike combo is exactly the same as Dr. Gyi did at the Mogaung Bare Knuckle seminar! Interesting.... --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 00:31:08 -0500 From: Michael Barnes To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Technique of the Quarter Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Wanted to let everyone know that a new technique is up on the Inayan Systems International web site. You can find it under the "Photos" link and then by going to the "Technique of the Quarter" gallery or you can go straight to it by using this URL: http://inayaneskrima.com/index.cfm?method=gallery&submethod=thumbs&galid=47 -- Michael Barnes www.inayaneskrima.com barnes@inayaneskrima.com Inayan Systems International --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 09:21:14 -0500 From: trisula32@comcast.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] about Krav Maga Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net If I remember my history right, KM was originally created right after 1948 when Israel became a nation. It was created by an older officer within the Israeli Defense Force to train the soldiers in HtH combat. He had a background in karate, judo and of course real life combat. As many of you have said, it's fairly simple and gets straight to the point, except when it's faced with well trained weapon users like us. I also believe that what is KM now is a second generation of the art, since I saw techniques years ago that didn't have the basic kickboxing structure. IMHO it looks like someone went to one too many basic "JKD" classes and was inspired. Steve --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest