Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 02:03:56 -0800 (PST) From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #119 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Today's Topics: 1. Absorb what is useful a teaching method (carl) 2. Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #117 - Swain Mats (John Cipkar) 3. Swain Gold Medal mats (Kevin Black) 4. Re: Krav Maga (Arnisman@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "carl" To: Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 09:01:23 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Absorb what is useful a teaching method Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net RT, "Absorb what is useful" is a concept in an overall teaching method. The purpose of "Absorb what is useful" has many facets. When you are a student you learn for yourself first. It is the quickest way to personal growth and personal truth. You use what is useful and return to the discarded useless when your skills and maturity bring you back to full discovery. In the traditional teaching method a student is drilled and passes to the next belt via showing competency to an instructor. In the Lee Jun Fan JKD area you progress by application of fighting skill regardless of tools used. You do not progress by what you know. You progress by what you can do. However, in different settings such as seminar teaching there are more curiculim type teaching. Thus the controversy of who really has it the local student or the dedicated guy who goes to every seminar in Ohio. Your training is a constant return and revisit of the concepts of personal combat and, the tools that make it work that are appropriote for your personal place in time. The tools do not make the art. JKD is not Kenpo etc. JKD is a set of concepts like physical laws like F=MA. Many other arts are a set of specific tools to apply . In my 30 year life in MA's I have seen two really big events to change the scope of MA. One is the JKD revolution. JKD'ers had such a huge advantage in high speed learning. I remember classmates of mine with no fight experience winning random contact tournements with 3 months of what was called "Chinese kickboxing" (Junfanjkd mix) in the mid 70's. The second is the explosion that is BJJ. BJJ people kicked everyones ass. We were sparing in the back yard one day and this BJJ white belt took down an original 70's JKD class guy and tapped him out with the most simple "mount and armbar". He had no idea what had happened just like the typical boxer or Kungfu guy was totally surprised by simple applications of single angular attacks in JunFan. Well the advantage to both of use are now gone. That is what Guro/Sifu Inosanto calls keeping up with technology. You have to keep training and with many people. That leads us into another critical belief in the JKD system that each student keeps a neucleus of tools but must learn from others. No one person has all the knowledge to give you. If you with crappy knees and shows your student how to do a particular technique your bias away from the technique comes in and you can't teach it they way someone who loves the technique can do. So who should teach that technique? What is the big deal if you never teach it and your student learns it from the right guy who can really sell the technique? That is why JKD has such diverse guys teaching like Hartsell or Vunak. If you saw these guys sparing you would think they never had any common teachers. You can't go to Vunak and get the flavor of how Hartsell teaches and you can't go to Hartsell and get the flavor of what Vunak teaches. You have to go to the source and "Absorb what is useful". Regards, Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. Torrance, Ca. > Message: 2 > From: Ray Terry > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 7:13:43 PST > Subject: [Eskrima] Absorb what is useful > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Referencing the famous (infamous?) quote from Sigung Bruce Lee: > > "The truth will be different for each individual. Research your own truths. > Absorb what is useful. Discard what is useless." > > We usually just see it shortened to "Absorb what is useful". IMHO, this is > fine for those that are only learning for their own benefit. Nothing wrong > with that, nothing at all. One only hopes that what we view as useless > this week will be viewed that same way next month or next year after > more hours of training (also referred to as 'eating more rice'). > > But another problem is introduced when we only 'absorb what is useful' and > then go on to teach. Will we only be teaching those that are blessed/cursed > with the same abilities and limitations that we ourselves have? If we > approach learning with the attitude of only absorbing what is useful, we > severely limit our ability to carry on the art. There are techniques that > I have learned that really don't work too well for me. I am 50, 6'1" and > 200 lbs, have two not-so-good knees, a bad back and of only very average > athletic ability. Yet my student may be 5', 95 lbs, 18 years old and an > excellent athlete. What may be mostly useless for me as a self-defense > technique may be an excellent technique for this student. If I had previously > discarded this technique as useless, my students and the art have now suffered. > > FWIW... > > Ray Terry > raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com > > -- __--__-- --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "John Cipkar" To: Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 13:15:49 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #117 - Swain Mats Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Swain is the best. I used the silver medal series on the floor of my school for three years without any trouble. I still use them at my home. They are durable (my students wore wrestling shoes) and easy to care for. I would recommend Swain to anyone in the market for mats. > Anyone using the Swain Flooring System, specifically their Gold Medal Mats? > http://www.swainsportsintl.com > > Comments, pro/con? > > Ray Terry --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Kevin Black" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 23:00:06 Subject: [Eskrima] Swain Gold Medal mats Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I train on the Swain Gold Medals at www.saundersbjj.com. Nice mats, fairly firm, but they do tend to chew up bare feet. I guess that's the trade-off for decent traction. Kevin Black shillelagh2@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Arnisman@aol.com Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 22:42:06 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Krav Maga Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net RE: Krav Maga: when Imi Lichtenfeld developed Krav Maga, it was to fight the Nazi's..In 1944 when he emigrated to Israel he started to teach others his way of fighting and in 1948 became the Chief Instructor for the newly formed IDF. ( Israeli Defense Force) Over the years he taught it to the IDF it was used in real time combat.Over those years Imi modified it , adapted it more and it was used in each of Israels wars..by their military and by their elite forces..to defend themselves and kill bad guys-especially terrorists... It is not JKDized anything... There are several levels of krav Maga..: the main two are civilian and Military.. In the USA theres a third version that is taught like Tae Bo, to teach the concepts of motion & promote physical fitness...which is not out of keeping as Imi was a physical fitness expert in the old days... Krav Maga does deal with weapons, it may not be sophisticated as Filipino arts but its designed for the user to survive. ..and the military version is brutal. If it didn't work they wouldn't use it.. The users are up close and personal to those they encounter and sticks, knives, axes, swords as well as rifles are common tools-weapons used by their enemies...The middle east is not known for its sophisticated nor complicated weapns..its pretty third world there... I teach in Israel at least once a year, and I teach IDF & ISA... I have had the pleasure to share my seminars with several of the chief Instructors of Krav Maga and Imi's successor....Heim Zut They are very serious people...and Krav Maga is a real martial art... Be safe.. Happy Holidays to you all.. You're welcome to come over this June and train with us... >> --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest