Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 06:45:14 -0700 (PDT) From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #131 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Today's Topics: 1. 10 ultimate MAs (phil) 2. RE: Disarming techniques (Mike Casto) 3. Look out London (Ray Terry) 4. Re:TLC's top ten MA's (Kes41355@aol.com) 5. "Top Ten Martial Arts" (Mike Garcia) 6. Daily training suggestions... (Guro Dave Gould) (KaliDave@aol.com) 7. Pak Victor re: Mike Koblic (Musilat@aol.com) 8. Re: New Orleans (Johnaleen) 9. English (Seraksatu@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "phil" To: Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:02:35 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] 10 ultimate MAs Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net **Delurking,,,complete!** Just out of curiousity, what were the 10 ultimate martial arts, could someone please post or email me the list from this show? I am only interested in this topic in the context of this show. Thankyou ,Phil Mission B.C. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 13:26:45 -0500 From: Mike Casto Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Disarming techniques To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net << As to not initially realizing that disarms are there during sumbrada, I agree. I liked your observations about "placing" disarms, but in my training (and I suspect your also) disarms were taught separately from sombrada, at first, and later integrated. The disarms were clearly recognizable as part of the system from early on in training. >> This is the way I was taught everything. My instructor teaches techniques and he teaches flow drills. Once they are developed separately then he puts the techniques into the flow drills which takes the whole thing a small step toward pulling it off in sparring and in a fight. Once the student is able to do the techniques in the flow drill, then the flow drill is made random and the techniques are put into it ... and another small step toward reality is taken. From there, it's another small step to free sparring. This method has been fairly common in the FMA I've been exposed to (which, admittedly, has been only a handful of styles). Mike --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 13:27:36 PDT Subject: [Eskrima] Look out London Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net fyi... I'll be visiting London, England for a few days later this month. If anyone would like to get together for training, drinking... err pub food, etc, please let me know. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Kes41355@aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:46:04 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re:TLC's top ten MA's Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net To Marc Denny, Congrats on such a fine presentation of yourself, the Dog Bros., and the FMA community in general. I thought you did a fine job presenting, for the first time on national TV BTW, what we are about. Although the rest of the special kinda blew, I was pretty darned proud of the way we were represented. Good job!! Kim --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:17:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Garcia To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] "Top Ten Martial Arts" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Interesting show. Congrats to the Dog Brothers, to Rick Tucci and all reps of the FMA! For those of us who know even a little about what you do and who realize how good these arts really are it was good to see the arts of the stick and blade mentioned. It's too bad that the journalists who wrote and produced the program could't have given a more favorable ranking, but on the other hand they gave all who practice Escrima, Kali and Arnis a chance for some real recognition, (not to mention free publicity). Keep up the good work. Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax --__--__-- Message: 6 From: KaliDave@aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:46:12 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Daily training suggestions... (Guro Dave Gould) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi guys I hope that everyone is well. Here are some suggestions which I hope will help some of you in your daily training sessions. I usually give this to new students as a guide in forming the right mindset for training. As well I have posted this on another forum about a month or so ago. Try and workout on a daily basis if possible. One hour or more is strongly suggested but if time isn`t readily available to you then 15 minutes a day will do. It may not seem like much in terms of what may be accomplished, but it is better than no time invested at all. I feel it important to note that it's the daily feeding which will allow the Kali man inside of you to grow and flourish. The Kali man within, just like your physical being, can't survive on just one feeding a week. If you don`t get the daily feeding that you need to sustain yourself than you will whither and die, and so it is the same with the Kali man that dwells within you. Let me reiterate that you are your first line of defense and if you take note of nothing else which I speak of take note of this, train daily and train with intention, as your life may very well depend on it some day…. Below are a few suggestions which if adhered to will allow you to best maximize your efforts in reaching your truest potential. As you pursue your training odyssey be first true to yourself, and second to that seek out truth in training. The most that you can hope to achieve in training is to become the creature of opportunity which you were born to realize, and not some mechanical duplicate of some-one else. Train as to recognize opportunities when they present themselves to you and work at a fevers pitch in developing the necessary attributes and abilities by which to best take advantage of those fleeting opportunities, while they exist to you in real time. An effective creature of opportunity knows when to hang back and assess from neutral territory and when to go in for the kill. By default a creature of opportunity is a predator with an enhanced ability to realize which fights to take and which fights to avoid. It's very rare indeed to see a Lion try and take a healthy Bull Elephant down. But let it detect or create the slightest weakness in that Elephant in its favor and all of a sudden there exists an opportunity that the Lion will be more than willing to take in order to gain the kill. An effective creature of opportunity recognizes no logical boundaries and will not place any limitations around itself in accomplishing its objective. It allows itself to do what it was designed to do best, and that is to fight for life and limb at what ever the cost, while taking advantage of opportunities left in the trail of its victim's panic stricken (over) reactions. Footwork is the cornerstone of your combative capabilities, for if you can't get where you need to be when you need to be there than your most destructive intent and efforts are for not. Which is why it is necessary to always start each workout with 15 - 30 minutes of hard aggressive footwork done with focus and intention. While doing footwork concentrate on transitioning as soon as possible without hesitation. Train with a partner or go solo but emphasize the ability to move as quickly as you are physically capable of, ensuring that you take long swift steps, all the while maintaining proper balance. Keep your body weight centered and going up, as opposed to placing it over the knee or too far to the rear. Just going through the motions while doing footwork is unacceptable as it accomplishes nothing productive. You must train your footwork the way that you would expect to use it in combat defending your life one-day. Not slow and easy at a comfortable pace but rather by getting in and out of fighting range quickly as necessity dictates. A Rooster may look ever so graceful in its almost hypnotic rhythm while strutting around in the barnyard attempting to impress the chickens. But put a hungry dog in its presence and all of those graceful movements will be for not, as that Rooster will quickly become lunch for an instinct driven aggressive animal whose only intent isn't so much to dance but rather to eat. As well attribute training should be done as often as possible. This includes training all categories that will develop and enhance ones power, speed, timing, position, recovery, perception, reaction, awareness, and ability to separate under cover while in a defensive position. For each workout pick one attribute, and work to develop only that one for the session from both the right and left sides. After awhile you won't have a left or right side anymore just two sides equally capable, always leaving the closest side available by which to inherit the immediate task at hand. Attribute training is key in developing effective abilities and the louder that you allow your abilities to speak for you the less there will be need for words. As I've said a thousand times, ones abilities will either confirm or contradict that which is spoken out of the mouth of man. A man can spout lie after lie out of his mouth whereas his abilities are what they are. No more and no less and to that end we are simply effective or we are not. There's no deception found in ones abilities, as only truth is spoken through this language of movement. When training static or predictable drills feel free to introduce various free radicals at random as to enhance your counter capability. In addition to developing your ability to adapt and adjust toward unexpected elements which are almost guaranteed to present themselves in reality based combatives. Proper awareness, and the ability to react with positive effect in a timely manner are key to surviving violent, random exchanges of unpredictable aggression on the street. A free radical is anything that doesn't belong in the drill or that which is not expected. By introducing free radicals as often as possible, it will ensure your ability to respond to that which is not expected, leaving you much more prepared to deal with the ever unpredictable nature of some street tough hell-bent on delivering you pain and misery. It`s not those things that you expect, but rather those things which you don't that will end up taking you out in a fight. In training introduce random unexpected punches, charging in, pulling a second weapon, butting, and blinding your training partners line of sight, among other things as you sneak a killing blow in under his defenses when he least expects it. As you familiarize yourself with this concept you will notice that within time you will have weaned yourself off of numerous static drills in exchange for perception and reaction in its truest essence. Always protect yourself while training just as you would be forced to do in real situations. You should learn to see your training and fighting in the same light. Your training, for lack of a better definition, is the crutch that best supports your efforts in terms of your ability to fight with positive effect. For as you do one you are programmed to do the other in like manner. An example of cause and effect in its purest form, hence the way that you train will be the way that you will fight. Learn to see training and combat as they are, in the same likeness, treating them indifferent as to avoid creating bad habits that could more than likely cost you your life one-day. To that end try and remember that you are training as to limit the possibility of getting cut or stabbed during a knife encounter. So by sub-consciously allowing yourself to be cut or stabbed in your workout, only to benefit someone else's training, creates an arena which instills bad habits that could all to easily be crossbred into your ability to perceive, react, adapt, and adjust in responding to realistic situations. Never allow your training partner to stab or cut you while training if possible. If he does stab or cut you in training it should be done in earnest, only because he took advantage of an opportunity which existed, and not because you allowed him to do so unchecked. As well by not allowing your training partner to stab or cut you unchecked this forces him to recognize and deal with his failures. Only when introduced to failure will you be able to learn how to overcome it. In light of this you should train as to never stop pushing your blade until you have slammed it through the head of your opponent with vigor and confidence, regardless of circumstance or obstruction. Which is precisely why I feel that learning to overcome failure is a huge advancement toward that end, as you will learn to see failure and obstructions for what they are, not as an end but rather a progressive detour to eventual victory. Non-cooperation should always be presented in varying degrees as to keep the training as closely aligned with reality as possible. The rule of thumb here is to learn technique first and only then test it against a non-conformist mindset. Start out with slight non-cooperation on your training partner's end and as the task becomes easier for you to achieve increase the non-cooperation in increments. Your over all goal in preparing for combat should be to master the situation and motion in general through perception and reaction, as opposed to anticipating what will happen or waiting for a certain strike from your opponent. Opportunities in combat are always fleeting so learn to recognize and seize them quickly, or your lack of awareness and hesitation could cost you dearly by losing your life one-day. Most knife fights end in death very quickly so you don`t have the luxury to pass up some opportunities while choosing to lie in wait for a more desirable one to come along. Take what you are given when you are given it and capitalize on it quickly. The fact is that in most cases your opponent doesn't know himself what he will or will not do. So it would be ill advised of you to try and second guess what his actions may or may not be, whilst your life hangs in the balance of what you think he will do and what he actually ends up doing under duress in the face of danger. The situation is what it is and will become what it will become, you're just along for the ride until you find or create a safe place to jump off and hit your escape route. Again I feel the need to reiterate that the way by which you train will reflect heavily on the way that you will respond in dealing with life threatening situations. So always allow your training to brush up against reality as much as possible during your workout sessions and only then will you be prepared to deal with all of the unpredictable aggressive and radical behavior which is found in random violent street crime. Train as to allow the situation to dictate your most appropriate counter responses and allow your abilities to render the situation null and void quickly with positive effect, under duress against a non-conformist type of opponent. Survival is the only acceptable goal in combat… ~ Guro Dave Gould. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 19:59:48 -0400 From: Musilat@aol.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Pak Victor re: Mike Koblic Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Pak Victor, First of all, It's pretty safe to say that Mike Koblic was kidding with his comment about Silat. Secondly, if he wasn't kidding...WHO CARES? We practice Martial Arts, we don't cure Cancer. In the grand scheme of things, what we do only matters to us. His opinion matters as much as yours does (even though that wasn't his opinion). I figured a high level guy such as yourself could easily ignore a few little words. You came off as ready to fight (not a high level attitude). You are not representing yourself or your system very well by having a superiority complex. Remember, any person, regardless of the system they practice CAN be beaten. And yes, I include myself in this observation. Things can and do happen. A little more humility please. Regards, Steve Kohn --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Johnaleen" To: Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 21:30:59 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: New Orleans Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Dear Digest Members, I have been looking for schools or teachers in FMA and JKD in the New Orleans Area. if you have a school or know of any in New Orleans please foward the address, name and contact information to my self in private email at Johnaleen@msn.com thank you for your help in advance Ms. J... --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Seraksatu@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 03:24:48 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] English Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Selamat mas Ray Iam learning American Humor, lots to learn yet, and am sure it was just the humor with a twist. The American English language on of the hardest to absorb. Thank you and regards Pak Vic << I'm pretty sure that Mike was kidding, joking... 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