Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:12:25 -0700 (PDT) From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #134 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Today's Topics: 1. Glocks (Luis Pellicer III) 2. Hormat to elders (Buddy Tripp) 3. Surviving Edged Weapons (Uli Weidle) 4. Other Calibre Press vids (Ray Terry) 5. The Kali man within... (Sunny Graff) 6. Re: Qigong Seminar Update http://www.f-a-t-e.org/articals/healing/sifuken.html (Johnaleen) 7. Interaction (Seraksatu@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:47:28 +0800 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Luis Pellicer III Subject: [Eskrima] Glocks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >We allow the >>G17 or G19 (9mm) as primary, 9mm. UGH. Gimme a BAT! :-) >The main point here that is missed is REMOVE >>THE SOURCE OF THE AMMO FIRST, THEN CLEAR THE CHAMBER BY LOCKING THE SLIDE TO >>THE REAR. Only after this is done, and a visual and physical check of the >>chamber is completed does the person send the slide forward and pull the >>trigger to field strip the weapon. >> >>Another agency in the county had TWO ADs because the correct procedure >>wasn't followed. Thought this was supposed to be SOP. Following simple procedure would prevent ADs in anything you handle, provided that you competently handle the firearm. Be ONE with the gun, be ONE with the gun.... >>TRIGGER SPRING >> >>The DCSO requires the NY1 trigger spring. The advantage is that there is NO >>slack in the trigger. You get the same trigger pull first time, every time >>which helps muscle memory. The other is that the connector is a 5 lbs >>connector. Adding the NY1 trigger spring increases the pull to around 8lbs. >>This is less than most double action trigger pulls but more than most single >>action trigger pulls. Thus you end up with a middle of the road trigger pull >>that isn't too easy to pull when startled, but not as heavy as the old >>revolvers were. (In theory!) It STILL has a lousy pull. Was a Glocker (G-21) till I developed a taste for a finely tuned 1911. Found that though I was SLIGHTLY slower out the holster, the first shot came out alot quicker and more accurate. From a walk with a 3 meter window to trigger the popper, have been timed consistently hitting center mass , with single hand pointed shot, TWICE in slightly under a second. ( At a distance of 8 to 5 meters.) Worked on the re-set till I had it down to a twitch. (Using a DeSantis bikini holster, carried open) With the G-21 was having problems hitting the target ONCE in 1.2-1.3 seconds, in a similar style, but custom made holster. Dunno if it's just me, or it's a matter of training. On the other hand, for economic and certain other purposes (for as long as you don't pistol-whip anybody with the thing, the frame is too light and the sights'll fall off.) I guess it's a good Mc'pistol. Couldn't help but rag on the Glock, just for fun! Don't anybody get offended, now. :-) --__--__-- Message: 2 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Buddy Tripp Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:08:22 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Hormat to elders Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net At Thursday, 11 April 2002, you wrote: >Pak Victor, > >In your response to my post, you suggested that I would take a defensive >posture if my fighting ability was criticized. That assumption is incorrect. >In fact, I spent some time working as a doorman in a bar with some rather >hardcore customers who insulted me in just that way on an almost daily >basis. My response? I always maintained my composure and talked them out >of wanting to fight me...every time. Now if someone like me (with far >less experience than yourself) could avoid reacting out of anger, one >would think that you wouldn't even bother to dignify someones criticism >with a response. I just don't think that reacting out of anger is a mature >(high level) way to handle things. So...please do not confuse my nature >with yours. Steve, Your nature seems to be one of confrontation of your elders. It seems to me you are expecting Pak Vic to react as you would. How presumptuous. Seems to me any of us might respond to a (if only perceived) insult. But I suppose it is your duty to correct the world's injustices. > >When I said that "we practice martial arts, we don't cure cancer", I was >simply trying to put what we do into perspective. We practice very beautiful >arts to be sure. Will they change the world? Probably not. Is it worth >getting crazy over? Definitely not. Your angry reaction showed not one >sign of humility. And yet your presumption to correct a man with greater experience and years does? > >I realize that English is not your first language and that I may have >missed your points in the same way you missed mine. That said, I must >admit that your passion is admirable despite being somewhat misdirected. How magnanimous. Buddy Tripp VDT New England > >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima >http://eskrima-fma.net >Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. > >Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply. > >Remember 9-11! > >End of Eskrima Digest --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:38:10 +0200 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Uli Weidle Subject: [Eskrima] Surviving Edged Weapons Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings from Germany to the Digest members! Ken Jowers wrote in ED Vol 9 #133 about the video Surviving Edged Weapons: > As a FTO and a martial artist, I see this tape as one of the best > as far as graphically making one aware of the dangers of a knife. > This in turn SHOULD make an officer seek out further training in > regards to defending against an edged weapon, Your analysis of the video and its intended purpose is correct. It is designed as a starting point. It should leave the officer with the idea that there is a need to act and that there indeed are reasonable possibilities to act to be successful and to survive. > but it usually does not. This is a sad truth but changing since more and more police officers understand the need of quality training and they understand that it is no valid answer to put on blinders and hope that nothing will happen today because nothing happened yesterday. The most dangerous to a police officer is daily routine. The most important that can be taught to an officer in terms of handling edged weapon situation is knife awareness and proper procedures designed with knife awareness. > Now as far as tactical uses of a knife, I've not seen or heard of any > other law enforcement videos by Tuhon Gaje, but I have read that he > continues to actively teach law enforcement/military in the Phillipines You are right. In my last travels to the Philippines I had plenty of opportunity to be present and assist Grand Tuhon Gaje when he was teaching and training forces of the PNP (Philippine National Police) and special units of the military like the Force Recon Elite Unit of the Filipino Marines. Also I was assisting Grand Tuhon when he was teaching German, Italian, Norwegian and Swedish Police on several occasions. We keep the training of police material on a personal basis training the instructors and sharing our experience, thus making sure that they in turn can provide good quality training for their officers helping them to survive. By the way, we don't take money for that. Now as far as a sequel video to Surviving Edged Weapon is concerned, I don't feel that the information about tactics and methods that police officers actually apply should be sold to everybody on the street. When Grand Tuhon and I teach police we allow them to videotape the material because we know that they understand their needs and they will keep the material among themselves. For those interested, in May and June Grand Tuhon will be in Europe again. We will be conducting seminars and workshops in Germany, Sweden and England. More info is available at: http://www.pekiti-tirsia.net With regards, Uli Weidle --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 7:53:56 PDT Subject: [Eskrima] Other Calibre Press vids Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Just a few videos that many consider as good or probably better than Surviving Edged Weapons. The below from Calibre Press, others are available from places like Abanico, Panther, etc. Yes, S-E-W is good and I still recommend it, but luckily the state of the art has moved forward. Just a few are: Deadly Force Decisions Extreme Close Quarters Shooting Cop Killers Ultimate Officer Survival Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Sunny Graff" To: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:50:53 +0200 Subject: [Eskrima] The Kali man within... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net If there is a Kali "man" within me, then he wasn`t invited and I want him out! But then again, I am not one of the "guys"! Sunny Graff ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 6 > From: KaliDave@aol.com > > > Hi guys I hope that everyone is well. Here are some suggestions which I hope > will help some of you in your daily training sessions. I usually give this to > new students as a guide in forming the right mindset for training. As well I > have posted this on another forum about a month or so ago. > > > Try and workout on a daily basis if possible. One hour or more is strongly > suggested but if time isn`t readily available to you then 15 minutes a day > will do. It may not seem like much in terms of what may be accomplished, but > it is better than no time invested at all. I feel it important to note that > it's the daily feeding which will allow the Kali man inside of you to grow > and flourish. The Kali man within, just like your physical being, can't > survive on just one feeding a week. If you don`t get the daily feeding that > you need to sustain yourself than you will whither and die, and so it is the > same with the Kali man that dwells within you. Let me reiterate that you are > your first line of defense and if you take note of nothing else which I speak > of take note of this, train daily and train with intention, as your life may > very well depend on it some days> > --- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.346 / Virus Database: 194 - Release Date: 10.04.2002 --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Johnaleen" To: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:53:45 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Qigong Seminar Update http://www.f-a-t-e.org/articals/healing/sifuken.html Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Last Saturdays Medical Qigong Seminar update: Sifu Ken Andes presented yet again, a very information and exhalent class for the FATE organization and fundraising for the program we offer for Survivors of violent crime. all proceeds went to help pay for the just recently finished 24 hour program " Facilitating Awareness Through Empowerment" this program was taught in the New Jersey area for Survivors of violent crime, rape, assault, childhood victimization, and domestic violence. at this address: http://www.f-a-t-e.org/articals/healing/sifuken.html you will find pictures from the seminar and Sifu Kens medical Qigong tips and notes. Ken also teachers martial Qigong, however this seminar was geared toward medical healing and keeping the body in tune and functioning. All the participants of this class seemed to pick up all the basic healing skills, leaving with full understanding of the concepts taught and presented by Ken. Ms. J bows deeply "Never question the truth of what you fail to understand, for the world is filled with wonders." --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Seraksatu@aol.com Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:29:59 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Interaction Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings Mr. Steve Kohn Thank you for your disortation, I do not get angry, and my reaction is always an opinion, on how I perceive it and if I dislike a post, Just as you may post in a reaction with a dictating tone as I can see it. I can not afford to get angry, if I did then most likely I would not answer any post to a point. Then I can get just as sarcastic as the next man or woman, a definite human trade. My wife Ibu Jane taught me a great word, "Jaw Jacking", a term used by truckers. And we are "Jaw Jacking" behind a computer with keyboards. Amazing, to me, in my young days in the 40ties and even till the 50ties this would be a great gift. Letters in those days would take many days for a respond. Now Anger and If I would become Angry And it has to be really in a situation were my circle is attacked in a physical way, then all bets are off, and nothing will empede what I need to do then, at that time I would not care what happen, Now Anger, this is what I considder Anger Like what has occured on September 11, 2001. They kicked us in the nuts, and we are still digging up folks that have expired and gotten Killed at the WTC Now that is the Anger LZ, and even at 60, I am ready to go, If I would be accepted by the USMC at this age, and pick up arms, you bet at in a flash. Always have the spirit, and go at the drop of a head, the job is not finished as of yet. I can only armchair, and wish I was at least in my twenties again so I can re-up and go. That is were my anger is directed, I may not be as fast anymore as a younger Brother USMC would be, but the skills to use the weapons are surely still there. << When I said that "we practice martial arts, we don't cure cancer", I was simply trying to put what we do into perspective. We practice very beautiful arts to be sure. Will they change the world? Probably not. Is it worth getting crazy over? Definitely not. << You bet and absolutly agree to a point. For sure we changed something by bringing in Silat Serak to the United States on May 11, 1960. Look how many more folks do our style of silat with Jurus etc etc. The object of mine has not changed at all, to have all here who have the interest in the US to practice Serak with no hiding and stipulation, of the so-called elite and close door thingking. >>>>>>Your angry reaction showed not one sign of humility. >> This is your Preception is of what who Iam and what I do, certainly not mine, it was a reaction to a post in how I preceive the post, certainly not of others at the time. May you then look at in what you do in lecturing others how one should act. Is that a sign of Humility?, To me and my preception only shows a sign of your supperiority behaviour over others in what you belief in how one should act, you have lectured with a vengence and of course I can be all wrong, and I leave that for you to judge yourself, or only a war with words. Emails are as cold as the winter, and have no subtance of life interaction of a smile. Our discussion has come to a completion for this tread Mr. Steve Kohn, and I rather read in what you do to progress the arts in what you train in, that is more interesting to read. Keep the Spirit and remember September 11, 2001 Pak Vic --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest