Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:13:39 -0700 (PDT) From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #139 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Today's Topics: 1. Re: Charles Joussot (jonbroster@another.co.uk) 2. "Ultimate 10" list (Marc Denny) 3. Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #138 - 6 msgs (Eagle556@aol.com) 4. Choice and Guru Dan's Tape (Seraksatu@aol.com) 5. Re: Police Training / Surviving Edged Wepaons (Uli Weidle) 6. Re: Re: Police Training / Surviving Edged Wepaons (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:24:13 +0100 (BST) From: jonbroster@another.co.uk To: eskrima digest < eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Charles Joussot Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, Charles Joussot (note spelling) has a book on silat entitled: Self-Défense Penchak Silat ISBN 2-7027-0671-1 Which is a standard how-to type of thing, with chapters on: defending against a knife, against a kick, against a boxer, stick against stick!! etc. The text is in French (I got my copy from amazon.fr) The bio on the back of the book states (sorry if y translation is a little dodgy): Professor of Penchak Silat 5th Dan black belt (Indonesia) Disciple of master Turpin Founder of FISFO (Federal international systemof law and order forces) security advisor consulatant to intervention groups expert on self defence, security and law and order author of a dozen videocassettes on penchak silat The book is fine, devoid of any formality (very much in the area of self defence, not martial arts) It is all fairly upright stuff, ie more Javanese-looking, definitely not much Minangkabau influence here. Hope that is of some help. Jon There's nothing more dangerous than a blunt knife! http://www.geocities.com/jonbroster -- Personalised email by http://another.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 06:37:31 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] "Ultimate 10" list Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof Roland: > Hello, > > If somebody could indulge me, but my curiosity is killing me. What were > the "ultimate 10 martial arts" listed by the Learning Channel. Also, if > you can give a brief synopsis as to why they made those choices. I can't > get TLC here in the Philippines and I'm curious. > > Thanks to anyone who can inform me. > > Sincerely, > > Roland Isla > 10: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu: Rickson Gracie 9: Kali: Dog Brothers/Rick Tucci 8: Krav Maga: Sam Sade/and? 7: Tae Kwon Do: Young In Cheong, David Kang, Stephen Lopez 6: Aikido: Rev. Kensho Furuya 5: Juko Kai: Dr. Rod Sacharnoski 4: Ninjustu: Dr. Masaaki Hatsumi 3: Muay Thai Kickboxing: Alex Gong 2: Karate: Tetsuhiro Hokama 1: Shaolin Kung Fu: Shi Yan Ming As to the whys and wherefores of the selections-- who knows? My guess is that they were looking for a mix of the images that the general audience already expects as well as some things not generally known. I'm glad that the FMA are beginning to get on the general radar screen of public awareness but I wouldn't take the listing order too seriously-- I certainly wouldn't want to fight Rickson Gracie ;-) Woof, Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Eagle556@aol.com Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 10:13:41 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #138 - 6 msgs Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net <<< One place to check for used out-of-print books is http://bookfinder.com. I've been able to locate many highly collectable books to add to my library. But they usually aren't cheap.>>> Ray, Thanks for the info, I use that site and two others, alibris.com and bibliofind.com. I have had real good luck on the alibris site finding various unconventional warfare books. I will continue my search but if anyone comes across copies of the two books I would very much appreciate it if you could drop me an email. <<>> I too own a few glocks, both in 40 S&W. They are fine guns and I really haven't had any problems with them over the years. So far as the 1911s go I feel that one good thing that has happened in the last few years is the appearance of Kimber. When they started selling 1911s with many modifications that you previously had to have a gunsmith do it forced a lot of their competitors to do the same. But like the other poster said, it doesn't really matter what you carry or use as long as you are capable of using it. And having it handy helps. There was a question on another board that asked what bladed weapon does everyone prefer. I wrote back replying, "The one that is handy." A point lost on a lot of individuals. Sort of like the endless debate among some on knife grips. I'm just happy when the time comes if I have a chance to deploy my knife. If I'm able to deploy the knife in time and can actually use it to defend myself that's good enough for me. Why worry about the little things? Take care, Rob. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Seraksatu@aol.com Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 11:21:34 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Choice and Guru Dan's Tape Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings and a respond: The Colt A1911 is one of my favorite weapons, I still like the Glock for this Feature You can abuse the weapon more so, and it will still fire. Not so with the Colt.(A1911) All these Technological advances, It is still a person choice what will fit him/her. Getting back to Kali/Escrima Guru Dan's "New World in Martial Arts" Tape sharing the simularities of the arts is a great tape. Amazing person and his fluid motion, just great to sit and watch Guro Dan flowing and tracking and moving. In all it has become one of my favorite choices in showing the universal principalities of all arts. I may have worn my copy out by watching it over and over. If anyone is Interested in the Tape, you can either get the tape from the Inosanto Academy or the VDT Academy. In all Remember September 11, 2001 and may we never forget Regards, Pak Vic << From: Pngreiff@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:10:45 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Weapons of Choice Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Pak Vic & Ray, I'll chime in too, Glocks just don't fit my teeney broken up hands - so its M-1911A1s for me (preferably Kimber), or one of the SIG P-22X series. >> --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:20:44 +0200 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Uli Weidle Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Police Training / Surviving Edged Wepaons Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi! I wrote: > > Maybe we disagree because it is just a misunderstanding of words. > > What you mean when you write “this material” might be different > > from what I consider “police training”. > > Specific police training would be just a waste of time for most civilians. and Ray answered: > Perhaps. In your mind, how so? Because the danger profile is different and different scenarios have to be addressed, quality training making best use of training time has to be different. Civilians usually don’t perform traffic controls and they are not forced to approach suspicious persons for id checks and civilians usually don’t face the task to frisk a drug addict… Furthermore Civilians usually don’t wear polycarbonate riot shields, heavy bullet proof vests and other police equipment. When I speak about Police Training, I mean training for police officers wearing police gear and performing police duties. When you speak of “this material” I guess that you mean what we call Edged Weapon Awareness Training (EWAT), which is important part of our police training. In fact EWAT is a good and necessary starting point for police and non-police, but it’s only the beginning of more specialized training to come. I wrote: > > The feedback that I receive from our special training for law enforcement > > officers here in Germany is, that it is always highly appreciated, that we > > support them by sharing our experience. Now in personal conversation the > > officers often also express their worries, that by making Kali Knife > > Fighting methods available to the public, we create part of the problem of > > the officers - and I can understand the worries of these people, because > > there have been incidents in Germany that videos teaching knife fighting > > have been found in the places of people that attacked or threatened police > > officers with knifes. Ray answered: > Many (most?) of the officers here want law abiding citizens to be able to > defend themselves, instead of the LEO having to clean up the mess afterwards. Nicely said. Those police officers I know would agree and they would add, that they want all citizens to live safe without the need of fear and in freedom - that’s one of the reason for them to choose the job. But also, when they leave their family to got to duty, they want to return safe and without injury. I understand and support that wish. That’s the reason why I refuse to sell the knowledge about special police tactics to everyone that offers money for it. Would you? Regards from Germany, Uli http://www.pekiti-tirsia.net --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Police Training / Surviving Edged Wepaons To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:49:40 PDT Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > without injury. I understand and support that wish. That’s the reason why I > refuse to sell the knowledge about special police tactics to everyone that > offers money for it. Would you? Sure. But actually, I'd rather give it away... As a 'good guy' living in a free country, responsible for my safety and willing to help my friends and neighboors and any LEO stay safe, I can't think of much that isn't applicable to me or my good guy/gal students, LEO or otherwise. At this moment I am reminded of the comment of the Filipino gentleman that had flown in from the RP to attend an LFI course with Mas Ayoob (this was prior to my introduction to Eskrima some 10 years ago). During some downtime I asked this fellow about life in the RP and the freedoms there. Were people permitted to freely own handguns? How about CCWs? His response was essentially, no, most of the people in the RP were very poor and poor people don't need to protect anything, as they have nothing to protect. !!! In all my years of training with LEOs the only thing I was not allowed to participate in was counter-handcuffing techniques, i.e. some of the typical things felons do when you are attempting to cuff them. But being martial artists, I suspect we have a few good ideas of our own in this area. Yes, we were taught proper handcuffing techniques. Yes, I have handcuffs. No, they are not fur lined... :) One other thing that is taught at Gunsite and not open to typical civilans is explosive entry (last I checked). But again, given three common household chemicals and some practice you can probably make some headway in that area, too. Yes, Tremors is one of my favorite movies... :) "Cannon fuse?!? Why do you have cannon fuse?" (shocked look) "For my cannon!" Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest