Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 02:06:19 -0700 (PDT) From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #142 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Today's Topics: 1. Re: Re: Police Training / Surviving Edged Wepaons (Patrick Davies) 2. re: San Francisco's Examiner Article (Nate Defensor) 3. Re: Glocks (Dave Huang) 4. Manila training (Tom Meadows) 5. (no subject) (Michael Sirota) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Patrick Davies To: 'eskrima digest' Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Police Training / Surviving Edged Wepaons Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:16:10 +0100 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Ray Terry Sure. But actually, I'd rather give it away... As a 'good guy' living in a free country, responsible for my safety and willing to help my friends and neighboors and any LEO stay safe, I can't think of much that isn't applicable to me or my good guy/gal students, LEO or otherwise. At this moment I am reminded of the comment of the Filipino gentleman that had flown in from the RP to attend an LFI course with Mas Ayoob (this was prior to my introduction to Eskrima some 10 years ago). During some downtime I asked this fellow about life in the RP and the freedoms there. Were people permitted to freely own handguns? How about CCWs? His response was essentially, no, most of the people in the RP were very poor and poor people don't need to protect anything, as they have nothing to protect. !!! For me there is definitely a requirement that training is open. I don't mug old people, start fights, steal. Yet I have found myself on the receiving end of the police. There are many examples around the world of police states where innocent people are in fear of the police. I have friends in the police, I have friends who are the opposite as well. We live in a society and any authority must be answerable to that society and not to a privileged elite. Of course, I don't want to know the training of the street cleaner or even his timetable until it actually comes into conflict with my daily life routine. If, in the UK, police are to start carrying weapons in order to protect themselves, then I want to know that they are trained correctly so that they are doing just that and not being let out there untrained with a weapon. There's a trial currently on with four policeman accused of letting a man die while in custody. There's been a history in some parts of the country of racism & corruption. Police officers spraying asthmatics in the face. Allegations from the US this week in the form of a movie documentary accuse a LA policeman of involvement in the killing of Rap stars. To the public, more secrecy alienates the police. The arguments over the King affair on this list highlight that with Leo's stating that they were simply doing what was required but the public not understanding that. The middle class family that never really sees the police until they bring little Johnney home after hes been smoking crack at the rich boys house is a different experience to those brought up in the ghettos. As a doorman I had to learn to deal with the different attitudes of the different policemen that would attend an incident where some looked on me as the perpetrator while other saw me as a friend. As a football fan I know im an easy target for over zealous officers who will get away with it because of that's the way it is. If you make something secretive then you alienate it. Then you have conflict Pat Davies --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Nate Defensor" To: Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:19:53 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] re: San Francisco's Examiner Article Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Filipinos are skirting the poverty trap By Ace Sanders Of The Examiner Staff Publication date: 2/27/02 As President Bush begins to saddle welfare recipients with new work requirements and vows to maintain the five-year ban on benefits for legal immigrants, there is one group he won't have to worry about Filipinos. In the United States, Filipinos have a household poverty rate that is so shockingly low, it begs the question, "What are they doing right?" "Filipinos have almost negligible poverty. It's lower than every other group, including college-educated Jews," said USC professor Dowell Myers, who created a poverty index based on the 1990 and 2000 census and the federal poverty guidelines. What he found after compiling the data was that the Filipino poverty level was "rock bottom." It's not that Filipino Americans are a particularly wealthy group, but a combination of cultural, social and historical safety nets have kept a majority of them from tumbling into severe poverty, he said. About 4 percent of Filipino residents registered below the poverty line in the 1990 Census, and by 2000 that figure shriveled to about 1 percent. A family of four qualifies as impoverished if they earn less than $17,650, according to the 2001 Health and Human Services guidelines. Of course, for a city as expensive as ours, those figures seem ludicrously low, but provide a common benchmark for all residents. Yet regardless of where they start on the socio-economic spectrum, as the Bay Area's 400,000 Filipino residents become more established, they tend to move away from San Francisco and Oakland into bedroom communities such as Daly City and Hayward. Large cities are gateways for many immigrants, whereas suburbs! signify owning land and houses and a slice of the American pie. Daly City Mayor Michael Guingona typifies a first-generation Filipino-American boosted by his community's built-in survival system. The San Francisco-born Guingona, grew up surrounded by his large extended family a community of aunts, uncles and cousins that helped one another find jobs and housing upon arrival in the United States. As is common in Filipino culture, close family friends adopted the title of Tito (aunt, uncle) or Lolo (grandma, grandpa.) "I grew up thinking that everybody that was brown was my cousin," said the 40-year-old gregarious mayor with a laugh. Under the 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act, Filipinos arrived here as petitioned relatives of previous migrants who had become U.S. citizens. The law also encouraged the immigration of Filipino medical professionals, thus bringing thousands of doctors and nurses to the United States, along with their spouses and children. Many of the medical professionals ended up on the East Coast, but California attracted enough to make it one of the top three states with the highest number of Filipino residents. In the Bay Area, as happened elsewhere, clusters of people from the same hometown followed each other, immediately joining the local Catholic church and forming town associations, Guingona said. Familiar communities helped many of them adjust and progress in America. As with many striving Filipinos, Guingona's family members each held more than one job. His mother, a single mom, worked as a travel agent and ground support staffer for a Filipino airline in the 1960s. She reflected the higher level of professional equality Filipinas have compared to other immigrant women, Myers said. And she managed to escape the chronic problem of underemployment -- where highly skilled professionals toil at numerous low-skilled jobs to support their family. Her children followed her example. Guingona's brother is a Channel 4 sports program producer and club promoter. Guingona works as a criminal defense attorney and is chairman of the San Mateo County Transportation Authority in addition to his duties as mayor, husband and father. Some scholars note that this social success strategy may help Filipino families, but it also can mislead researchers. "The multiple jobs held by parents tend to skew income results," said Theodore Gonzalves, professor of Asian American studies at San Francisco State. "And children in Filipino families also find jobs at a young age," which further influences the numbers. Although the number of jobs held by an individual does not appear on the census or poverty index data, reported salary ranges still how a family's overall income. And Filipino households often show a trend toward multiple breadwinners,with more than one family living under the same roof. The result is a reduction of household poverty in dollar terms. Although it often is crowded, everyone has shelter and food. And their culture dictates that no one go hungry. "Growing up, my house was a weigh station for travelers who were on their way to renting in Hercules or to getting a new house," Guingona said. "And everybody worked." On top of the communal self-help strategies, Filipinos have another advantage: Many land in America with an educational and linguistic head start, Myers said. After Spain turned the islands over to the United States in 1898, English-language public schools, hospitals and other systems were built. American control ended in 1946, but the influence on education is strong, preparing potential American-bound Filipinos for work in the United States. "We saw education as the big equalizer," said Guingona. "The guy that graduated from matchbox U law school is called the same thing as someone who graduated from Yale with honors -- a lawyer." --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Dave Huang" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:40:57 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Glocks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Interesting discussion so far. If I can add my two cents, I have experience with both the 1911 weapon systems and the Glocks. The 1911 is a high performance machine like a Ferrari. It needs upkeep, and the tendency by some people to want it to shoot 2" groups at 50 yards or other feats or wonderment tend to make the 1911 less reliable. The problem with the 1911 is the cottage indistry selling stuff you don't really need, and people buying into the myth that somehow, gadgets will make you a better shooter. Sure, you need some of the stuff (flashlight, good sights, good trigger), but a lot of the other stuff will not improve reliability, nor accuracy. The Glocks are more like a Toyota. Not as fancy, whiz bang, but needs less upkeep, because there really isn't a whole lot to do with a Glock. The Glock, however, is not very forgiving. You need to know what you are doing, shooting wise, otherwise inaccuracy or malfunctions occur (particularily if you are limp wristing). _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Tom Meadows" To: Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 07:02:22 -0700 Organization: Simple Solutions Subject: [Eskrima] Manila training Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Erwin, Congratulations on the Fulbright scholarship! They don't hand them out casually, and I hope you find some good people to train with Most of the Doce pares guys are in Cebu which is no help, but I know there are some very good eskrimadors and different styles in Manila. Tom Meadows --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Michael Sirota" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cc: sirota@sirotasalchymy.com Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 14:23:31 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] (no subject) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net New FMA classes forming in Vancouver (Richmond), BC, Canada. Guro Louie D. Lindo will start teaching Ikatan Kali Silat classes that will include Kali, Eskrima, Silat, Dumog, Panantukan and Kadena De Mano at Sirota's Alchymy. Guro Lindo has vast experience in FMA and Indonesian Martial Arts training with such masters including Prof. Lontayao, Pendeker Herman Suwanda, the IMB Academy and various other instructors and masters in various arts. For further information, please contact: Sirota's Alchymy Michael Sirota Tel: 604-244-8842 sirota@sirotasalchymy.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest