From eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Sat May 4 01:26:03 2002 Received: from cuprel1.hp.com (cupona1.hp.com [15.13.176.10]) by hpwsrt.cup.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.02) with ESMTP id BAA06597 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 01:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smyrna.cisto.com (smyrna.cisto.com [65.194.192.129]) by cuprel1.hp.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5A10D5A5 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 00:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19866 invoked from network); 4 May 2002 07:48:59 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO smyrna.cisto.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 May 2002 07:48:59 -0000 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #154 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rayreq@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. List-Unsubscribe: Message-Id: <20020504074654.5A10D5A5@cuprel1.hp.com> Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 00:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Send Eskrima mailing list submissions to eskrima@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Eskrima digest..." <<---------------- The Eskrima/FMA mailing list ---------------->> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Lists have been down, sorry... (Ray Terry) 2. FMA instructors (mac ingram) 3. Strength Training Article (POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com) 4. Balikatan and other issues (Eagle556@aol.com) 5. Re: Hmmmm (Mark F. Ward) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Ray Terry" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cc: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 00:27:54 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Lists have been down, sorry... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sorry that the lists have been down. On the last day of my trip to London I was taken into the emergency room, a few hours later I had surgery to repair a gastric ulcer that had perforated. I was released from the hospital last night (Friday) and am now back in the hotel in London from which this latest adventure began. Will rest up a few days and then return home. Cheers, Ray _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:02:39 -0700 (PDT) From: mac ingram To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] FMA instructors Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi everyone, Visayan Martial Arts has updated their website. http://www.visayanmartialarts.com Wonderfull site, The webmaster took great effort, he does not just make a list or instructors and contact information but he made Pages for instructors, with pictures too. mac Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:06:04 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Strength Training Article Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List members, I wrote an article called "Rear Wheel Drive" (kind of a rant) on dragondoor.com. It may be of interest to some of you. Go to dragondoor.com and look for the "Articles" section. Feel free to ask me questions if you have any. Tom Furman powerfactor71839@aol.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Eagle556@aol.com Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:07:05 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Balikatan and other issues Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net <<< Now, we are seeing U.S. SpecOps personnel conducting training exercises for Philippine Troopers, Imelda Marcos has come back to the P.I., and is back in (gasp)politics.>>> I hate to tell you this but the US Army Special Forces has been participating in various exercises to include Balikatan for quite a few years. It is not a recent phenomenon. I participated in a number of exercises in the 80s in and around Fort Magsaysay which is located north of Manilla. <<>> In some ways I agree with you. Those of us that have served in or are still serving in SF train and train but we hardly ever get to go and actually play. We attempt to try to pass on our knowledge gained from operating in a variety of different countries and environments but often it's to no avail. The Philippines is the perfect example. They don't really want us there and the only thing they are looking at is what they can gain material wise out of the visits by the Americans. In the end if we want to solve the problem militarily on Basilan and other areas in the region it will require the insertion of large numbers of American combat troops (maybe even some Marines) to help end the problem. It might even further require the insertion of a couple of teams of clean shaven haole SF senior NCOs and a few token SF officers to help solve the problem. Solving other problems won't be as easy. For example once I was in the P. I. conducting mortar training when the Philippine Army Chief of Staff paid us a visit. After the greeting I was explaining to him what we were doing with his troops. He asked me the range of the target that we were firing on. I told him it was about 1500 meters. He asked what the range was of the 81 mm mortars that we were firing. I told him about 5400 meters. He then asked why weren't we firing over the hill side that we were currently using as a target. I told him because there was a village over there. He replied, "SGT. McDonald, don't worry about that, they are squatters, illegally squatting on military land, you have my permission to fire on them." It was in the split second after his comment that I was thinking to myself, "And people wonder why you guys have a long running insurgency on your hands." Of course this was a haole reaction. Another reaction that was going through my mind was the headlines of the newspapers the next day, "Clean shaven haole SF senior NCO arrested for ordering the destruction of a local village." I told him that the reason we were firing on the hillside was that so that those who were doing the corrections could actually see what the corrections looked like. He seemed satisfied with that and left. As long as you have this type of attitude in the senior leadership then you will in most cases continue to have insurgencies. I love the Philippines. I love visiting, the people, the food (I maybe love the food a little too much), the culture. I gained the vast majority of my training with an American of Filipino descent. He in turn introduced me to a number of other Americans of Filipino descent who provided further training. In fact I found my current Indonesian Silat Serak instructor, Pak Vic, through the writings of another American of Filipino descent, Guro Dan. Although very much still a beginner I enjoy the Silat Serak very much. Experiences in the Philippines and experiences here in America with individuals of Filipino descent have shaped a good deal of my life and philosophies. I train people in Eskrima as Mike Inay trained me back in the 70s and 80s. That being said sometimes a large part of me thinks, "We should just pull out of the Philippines and the vast majority of other countries and let them find their own destinies. Take care, Rob --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Mark F. Ward" To: Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 08:17:26 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Hmmmm Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > ...Now, we are seeing U.S. SpecOps personnel > conducting training exercises for Philippine Troopers, Imelda > Marcos has come back to the P.I., and is back in > (gasp)politics. Hmmm. With regards to the U.S. training > Philippine Troops, I beg your pardon, but a PFC in the > Philippine Army has actually fought and/or killed guerillas, > both in the > NPA and the MNLF, probably knows the jungle better, and a > clean shaven haole Senior NCO from our deified Green Berets > is gonna show HIM a thing or two about counter guerilla > warfare? It'd be like a WEKAF champion being sent to conduct > a seminar for a group of rattan hardened old eskrimadors, > drinking their Ginebra and Redhorse, and smoking thier rank > cigarettes. Granted, we don't have the whole picture when it > comes to what the SpecOps community has or hasn't done, but, > come on... There are some interesting passages related to this in "Andy McNab"'s book "Immediate Action", which relates his entrance into the Special Air Service and some subsequent operations. He notes that in his experience and the experience of his fellow troopers performing Foreign Internal Defense missions, indigenous peoples are generally sorely lacking in many of the basic military skills necessary to fight and win against any but the most basic foe. Besides poor marksmanship and weapon handling skills, things like instruction in reading a compass and then relating that information to a map was quite difficult. He flat out said that natives get lost frequently, even on their home turf, and that any notions of the indigenous peoples of Country X 'just knowing' every inch of the jungle/desert/whatever is pure romantic myth. His opinion was that native peoples tend to rely on animal tracks to a great extent, and relying on tracks to get around is not a healthy thing for a guerrilla force. Coordinating an attack with multiple units, especially if you want to have some flexibility during a battle, is a learned skill. Operating a mortar is a learned skill. Fire discipline, tactical movement, communications, intelligence gathering, not being freaked out by explosions etc., even field hygiene are among the topics a SF team will teach their foreign allies. Some of these things will be old hat to the 'home team' - most will not. Now, "McNab" did not appear to have ever gone to the Philippines in a military capacity - or he didn't relate it in the book. However, he thinks the above sentiments hold true over many operations in South America, Africa, and Malaysia. I'm sure there are exceptions to his opinions, and it is clear that there are a great many things to be learned from one's foreign counterparts. The big 'but' is that past fighting experience does not magically confer the basic military skills needed to operate and win against a capable enemy and in association with friendly units. Finally, I would note that "McNab" (and any other FID instructor worth his salt) shows a great deal of respect for his students, no matter their abilities. A quote: "Just as with recruits at Winchester, there is no such thing as a bad soldier, only a bad instructor - once you had the right material". Motivated native peoples who have extensive fighting experience are clearly the right material to make great soldiers. Flame on, mfw Mark F. Ward mark@swervingatom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest