Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 06:17:06 -0700 (PDT) From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #176 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Filipino Kuntaw (Anderson) 2. Puget Sound Washington (Kyud) 3. Tai Chi Chuan + Escrima = Power (Mark F. Ward) 4. FMA's and firearms (Steven Lefebvre) 5. Fries with that sinawalli... (Bobbe Edmonds) 6. Re: reality-based systems- martial arts/ (Mike Casto) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Anderson" To: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 19:58:19 +1000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Filipino Kuntaw Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray, I think that guy is with the Rossi system of Kuntaw... I saw the same breaking competition a couple weeks ago and watched him do his thing.... Not really what I would call filipino Kuntaw IMO... Bill Maharlika Kuntao Guam --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Kyud" To: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 08:04:06 -0700 Organization: Arnis Balite Subject: [Eskrima] Puget Sound Washington Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Having a student moving to Puget Sound, Washington in August. He is a beginning student of Arnis Balite. Anyone know of a FMA in the area so he can continue, he is dedicated for knowledge. He is a teenager and his parent support him very much in the FMA. You can answer privately if you wish. Thanks Arnis Balite ~ http://www.arnisbalite.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Mark F. Ward" To: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 09:40:05 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Tai Chi Chuan + Escrima = Power Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net My belated $0.02 on Tai Chi Chuan and Eskrima: My first Doce Pares instructor, Guro Reggie Burford, has a strong background in Tai Chi - and it showed! He had an uncanny ability to be in just the right place to give me a well-timed push and send me sprawling. When I sparred with him it bordered on comedy. Our size differential (I am probably twice the mass of Guro Reggie) only made it all the more fun to watch. I don't think there is any doubt that Guro Reggie's Tai Chi practice enhanced his power generation abilities and general sparring abilities. mfw Mark F. Ward --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Steven Lefebvre" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 20:14:17 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] FMA's and firearms Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Everyone, I find it interesting that so many practitioners are debating about guns in the Filipino Martial Arts or on this digest. Many generations of Filipino warriors have used and continue to use firearms in their defense of the Philippine homeland. From the earliest Spanish invasions, the Filipino people adapted the use of the new weapons to their systems of self protection. In WWII the famous Bolo Battalion, used their firearms and bolos to wreck deadly effect on the Japanese invaders. In modern times it is no different, as an example, Tuhon Sayoc, of the Sayoc kali tradition, owns not only a large gun shop but also firearm ranges on which to practice on. His Grandfathers fought in WWII, and emphasized the reality of the use of a firearm in combat, which continues even till today. There are other examples including Grand Tuhon Gaje of Pekiti Tirsia Kali, as he trains the Philippine Marines in edged weapons, he is also a fine shooter and uses this in his training. As we practice in a modern world, where guns exist everyday, it only behooves us to become familiar with their proper use as just another layer in our self protection systems. Gumagalang Guro Steve L. www.Bujinkandojo.net www.Sayoc.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Bobbe Edmonds" To: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 14:30:50 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Fries with that sinawalli... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >"Im afraid anymore the whole profile of the future of martial arts is falling apart due to the mcdojo's and the whole sport aspect of martial arts. Can anyone else elaborate or give an opinion here? I dont want to step on any toes, or sound assanine, I just am curious if Im the only one out there that feels the same way. Thanks Cory B."< Hi Cory. People join martial arts schools for different reasons, not just "Learning how to fight". Parents want something positive for thier children after school, out of shape people go for a workout, building personal confidence, something fun to do socially, and let's not forget the mystique of saying "I'm a black belt". Now, having said that, yes I agree most schools are falling to the "McDojo" category, but you have to examine all sides: If the instructor is teaching as his only means of income, he will HAVE to cater to the public, no matter WHAT his personal convictions are. Otherwise, he won't be teaching for a living very long. You will find very few "Old School" teachers out there, particularly in this age of lawsuits. However, they do exist, it's simply a matter of perseverance. Usually, they don't advertise in the yellow pages. And although they charge for classes, it isn't what they do for a living. This allows them the freedom to be selective in whom they wish to train. I usually find students of a more serious intent at these schools. Usually the training will be of a much higher order than a "McDojo". Normally out of someones garage/basement/back yard, the surroundings are humble, with a focus on skill development. Which brings us to the idea of rank. What, specifically, would you use rank for? To criterion yourself against others in the school? As a unit of measure against the level you are at in your particular style? Look at it this way: I hold ranks in both Wing Chun & Kali/Eskrima. If I compared my SKILL (not rank) with that of other Eskrimadors/Wing Chun players in Seattle, (where I live,) I like to think I would be in the higher percentile. If I went nationally, that figure would get stomped like a narc at a biker rally. Now go globally...I'd need a telescope...or a crane. However, I'm speaking strictly as a person whose martial training is focused on skill development. The rank is nice to have, but the belt won't defang the snake on it's own, if you follow me. At the last, let me say that there ARE a few who have pulled off the public teaching without watering down thier style, or turning thier schools into a belt factory. Augustine Fong, Francis Fong, Pak Victor DeThours, Cass Magda, Cacoy Canete, all have public schools that provide high standards coupled with hard training. People put him down alot recently, but in my opinion you could do no better than Dan Inosanto. His standards are high, his quality of instruction is excellent, and the people he produces are first-rate. Most of these school you can find on the web. Hope this helps, I apologize if I have offended anyone. Bobbe Edmonds --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 18:45:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Casto Subject: Re: [Eskrima] reality-based systems- martial arts/ To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > This question falls into the category of "if it is > new, it must not be as > good as the old ones". I don't believe that. I > firmly believe that hybrid > systems are just the next generation of martial > arts, and 100 years from now > people will be comparing what they have then with > our "new" systems, like > JKD, Dog Brothers or any other, and asking the same > questions Yup. All martial arts systems were new at some point and many of them, at their inception, were "hybrid" arts. Mike ===== Mike Casto Asian Fighting Arts - Texas Representative Nacogdoches, Texas --------------------------------- Asian Fighting Arts - http://www.asianfightingarts.com Lansdale's Self-Defense - http://www.joerlansdale.com/shenchuan Martial Arts Seminar Listings - http://www.guild-hall.com/seminars Martial Arts Schools Database - http://www.guild-hall.com/schools LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! 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