Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:07:53 -0700 (PDT) From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #191 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Fee for Instructors (Eolifriar@aol.com) 2. FMA in Tuscon (Bobbe Edmonds) 3. Book Recommendation (Marc Denny) 4. Re: paying for lessons (Kes41355@aol.com) 5. FBI Overseas (argyll@attbi.com) 6. Teaching for money (Musilat@aol.com) 7. Stratfor on Filipino politics (Marc Denny) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Eolifriar@aol.com Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 00:30:04 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Fee for Instructors Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In find it interesting in following the discussion/sharing about Instructors being paid when teaching martial arts. I started practicing Shotokan Karate in 1968 for four years and I paid my Instructor $10.00 / session. Then, in 1972, our martial art group switched focus from Shotokan to Jeet Kune Do / Street Fighting system (full contact sparring without any protective gear), I paid my Instructor $15.00 / session. When I took private lessons in Tai Chi Chuan from a Chinese Master in Chicago, I paid $60.00 / session; same thing when I took private lessons in Arnis/Eskrima in California, I paid my very good Instructor $30.00 / session. I do understand that my former Instructors need to earn a living and support their families. One of the important things I learned from my former Instructors, besides the martial arts itself, was their virtue of understanding, they know those students who are sincere and serious in learning the martial arts ---- sometimes they don't charge students who can't afford the fee, they just asked them to help out in preparing/cleaning the gym. Since 1990, I've been teaching and sharing with people the art of Tai Chi Chuan as part of my Stress Management and Mind-Body Relaxation Classes. I charge each participant $35.00/class (5 hours), and I usually have 30 to 45 (my limit) participants per class. But from what I've learned from my former Instructors, I don't charge those who sincerely want to be in my class but can't afford the fee --- this is my way of honoring my former Instructors. There were times, though, when groups or organizations asked me to give a special presentation, and when I know they could afford it, I charge $350.00 per one-hour presentation. Peace and everything good! Eoli --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Bobbe Edmonds" To: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 00:54:28 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] FMA in Tuscon Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Everybody, I have a student who is relocating to Tucson, AZ in August. He is a beginner, has only been training Wing Chun & Doce Pares Eskrima for about three months, and a little exposure to Pentjak Silat Serak. He is working on just getting his basics down, good footwork & sensitivity. He will be training with Augustine Fong in Wing Chun, but is looking for an Eskrima instructor as well. I would appreciate any advice or direction from anyone in the Tucson area. Please reply to my email address: fistwind@worldnet.att.net Thanks! Bobbe Edmonds --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 06:08:30 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Book Recommendation Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: From: Ray Terry > Of possible interest... > > http://www.killology.com > > Killology Research Group > The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill > > Killology, (n): The scholarly study of the destructive act, just as > sexology is the scholarly study of the procreative act. In particular, > killology focuses on the reactions of healthy people in killing circumstances > (such as police and military in combat) and the factors that enable and > restrain killing in these situations. This field of study was pioneered > by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, in his Pulitzer-nominated book, On Killing: > The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society. I have surfed over to this site and bought the book, of which I have read about 2/3 already. A very interesting read and well worth the time. Woof, Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Kes41355@aol.com Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 12:23:35 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: paying for lessons Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, I agree wholeheartedly with Steve Lefebvre's comments on charging students for lessons, even though I too received the bulk of my training for free. When I began teaching, two of my Serrada teachers told me to charge my students, even though they had not charged me. Their reasoning was that students will not place as much value on the art, will be lax in showing up for preappointed lessons, and not respect the time and effort that I freely give them in sharing my art. I found this to be very true; in the past couple of years I have taken on private students (for free) that I thought were dedicated, only to have them disappear for months without any explanation. They would then call out of the blue and expect the door to free lessons to still be open. I love the arts, feel privileged to be allowed to teach the FMA's, and am most appreciative of my lineage and the time that my teachers spent with me. However, I have closed the door to freebies, and now all students who train with me will pay. It does make a tremendous difference, because when a student is working for something by paying for it with their own bread, they do show up consistently. Funny, everyone wants the "secrets" to the martial arts, yet the only "secrets" I know to be true is hard work and consistency, and I help to provide the incentive to that consistency. Kim Satterfield --__--__-- Message: 5 From: argyll@attbi.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 17:11:18 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] FBI Overseas Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The FBI has agents working as legal attaches in most (all?) U.S. embassies. My understanding is their main function is to liaise with the host law enforcement agencies, and to work in conjunction with them on areas of mutual concern, i.e. transnational organized crime, terrorism, extradition requests etc. What the host government allows U.S. law enforcement agents to get directly involved in obviously varies, and there also disparities between what is said for public consumption, and what sometimes occurs. I am just guessing that the type of action reported here was done in conjunction with some branch of the Phillipine military/federal police or intelligence apparatus which did not trust the locals to be in the loop. The CIA's main function is to gather information, and even overseas it does not generally have a direct "law enforcement" function, though they have been assigned a role in the "war on drugs". To complicate things, don't forget the DEA, and various U.S. military investigative and counter- intelligence branches which also operate in countries where we have a U.S. presence. Hope that helps, Best regards, Jake Original Message: Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 13:11:57 -0500 From: Mike Casto Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Davao Mayor vows to arrest FBI agents operating in his city To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net OK ... I'm confused. Why would there have been American FBI in the PI to begin with? FBI handles domestic stuff, right? CIA handles stuff not on American soil, right? I'm not all that knowledgeable about these things and may be totally wrong ... someone can clarify this? Regards, Mike --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:56:22 -0400 From: Musilat@aol.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Teaching for money Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi All, How is this such a difficult question? It took time and money to learn my art, and I don't see any harm in recouping a bit of cash for my time spent teaching. I teach privately and am more than willing to give my students all the knowledge they can handle. I'm also willing to give my time away to people who may be dedicated but are having financial problems. That was extended to me when I was learning and I feel an obligation to give it back. But this is the luxury of not having overhead. If you have rent, insurance, and have to pay extra to have a school in a nice area with parking, then your students are going to have to meet you half way and cough up a few extra dollars. This is America; a capitalist society based on the law of supply and demand, not a third world country. If people seek me out and I am able to meet their needs...no harm, no foul. I do disagree with inflated fees for ranking, but the truth is...even that meets a public need. Everyone wants to be a "Black Belt" and there are plenty of people (some good, some bad) that are willing to meet that demand. Some people are ethical in their approach and some are not. Welcome to a free capitalist society. It's just business. Regards, Steve Kohn --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:07:43 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Stratfor on Filipino politics Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: I offer the following from www.stratfor.com (subscription highly recommended) without any opinion for or against-- I'm merely seeking to share what seems to be informed commentary and to solicit same from people here. Woof, Crafty Dog ----------------- Philippines: Bumpy Ride Ahead for Arroyo 31 May 2002 Summary Philippine President Gloria Arroyo has been relatively unscathed by criticism of her decision to allow U.S. troops into the country. But a recent U.S. reward offer for the capture of Abu Sayyaf rebels is reigniting the issue and adding to the mounting number of challenges to her presidency. Analysis A reward of up to $25 million offered by the U.S. government May 29 for information leading to the capture of leaders of militant rebel group Abu Sayyaf caused a noticeable stir in the Philippine government. The move by Washington is only one of a number of recent developments complicating Philippine President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo's presidency. While her position isn't necessarily under threat, the road ahead of her will present even greater obstacles than those she has faced. The president had come under initial opposition outside and even within the Philippine government to the deployment earlier this year of U.S. troops, who have trained and advised Filipino forces in hunting the Abu Sayyaf. However, since then the president has been fairly unaffected by the issue -- until the reward plan was announced. Vice President and Foreign Minister Teofisto Guingona expressed concerns over what he claimed was a failure by the U.S. government to properly coordinate its reward plan with Philippine law enforcement agencies. Sen. Blas Ople said that under the Visiting Forces Agreement between the United States and the Philippines, the Philippine government must approve every activity related to the training exercises. And Sen. Joker Arroyo called the reward offer an admission that the military exercises have failed. There are other indications that Arroyo's presidency has hit some snags. The Senate will order an inquiry into allegations that the executive office is inappropriately interacting with witnesses in the corruption case against former President Joseph Estrada, Malaya Online reported. May 31. Arroyo allegedly entertained the witnesses at a recent party. Cabinet members also reneged on an announcement by the president May 30 that the government would retrieve managerial control of the national airline from Estrada crony Lucio Tan. Finally, Arroyo's adviser on strategic projects, Gloria Tan Climaco, was ordered arrested for failing to attend consecutive hearings of the Commission on Appointments and to provide legitimate reasons for her absences. Despite these setbacks, Arroyo is still secure as long as the military, which is largely responsible for her rise to power following Estrada's ousting last year, and the national police maintain their support for Arroyo. But the president's peace agreement with the Moro Islamic Liberation Front May 7 tarnished that relationship a bit. Critics say Arroyo rushed the agreement so that she would have the significant political accomplishment ahead of a visit to Kuala Lumpur. Even her secretary of defense, Angelo Reyes, has said the military and national police issued complaints that she did not consult them concerning the deal. Losing the support of the military and police would prove very detrimental to Arroyo's political security. The president is experiencing a rise in tensions on many fronts, which is most likely to continue. Washington is considering allowing U.S. elite forces to take a more active role in efforts to rescue two American hostages of the Abu Sayyaf, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld announced May 30. The training exercises between the U.S. and Philippine troops are scheduled to end in July, and with the inability to rescue the hostages or capture top Abu Sayyaf leaders, Washington appears to be getting antsy. Increased participation by U.S. soldiers most likely implies their presence on anti-terrorist patrols. An enlarged role by the U.S. troops is likely to aggravate the domestic political situation, as U.S. troops will stand a greater chance of having to defend themselves from attack and engage in combat with the militants, a scenario many Philippine politicians have warned about from the beginning. Opponents of the president would likely use such a situation to their benefit and step up their claims that she is sacrificing national sovereignty. Arroyo has two years until the end of her first term. These recent hitches in her tenure are most likely a sign of what's to come. Buckle up. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest