Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 06:47:54 -0700 (PDT) From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #197 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. List-Unsubscribe: Status: OR Send Eskrima mailing list submissions to eskrima@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Eskrima digest..." <<-------- The Inayan/Eskrima/Kali/Arnis/FMA mailing list -------->> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Manong Giron (BJArtigas@aol.com) 2. The Overlooked Importance of Footwork (al sardinas) 3. Garimot - A Complete FMA System (al sardinas) 4. Brace Yourselves... (Bobbe Edmonds) 5. Forgot to mention... (Bobbe Edmonds) 6. FMA used in "The Bourne Identity" (Dobe Snyder) 7. Suro Mike Inay (David Foggie) 8. Al Qaeda training tape (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: BJArtigas@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 02:13:54 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Manong Giron Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I just got around to reading my back issues of the E-D. I was deeply saddened by the news of Manong Girons death. On behalf of my instructor Manong Norlito Soriano and the Modernized Philippine Martial Arts Association I would like to offer Manong Girons family and students our deepest condolences. His loss is a great tragedy. He will be missed by the FMA community as are all the great teachers who have passed. May perpetual light shine upon him and may his soul rest in peace. With Respect, Joseph L. Artigas --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "al sardinas" To: Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:02:36 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] The Overlooked Importance of Footwork Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On the subject of Footwork, Mike Castro was correct in expressing the value of footwork and Mr. Kohn's two purposes were also good. However, I would disagree with paying more attention to the shoulders than the feet and the separation of teaching hand and feet techniques as done in Silat. But to give the proper credit, Mr. Kohn did write that this was general stuff and the fine tuning comes later. I am not trying to start a flame but in Garimot, the importance of footwork starts from the beginning and the first thing a student learns right after the Garimot way of showing respect (pugay) is footwork - mayor (major) stance and menor (minor) stance. Understanding this concept well is the key to all fighting ranges, striking techniques, evasion techniques, and the generation of power. You can learn all the techniques there are and study for years but if your feet are not in the right place your offense and/or defense will be all for naught. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "al sardinas" To: Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:39:25 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Garimot - A Complete FMA System Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Since 1974 I have been exposed to many different FMA systems and would conclude that all systems have a lot to offer that one would need a lifetime to master. So in addition to asking the question which FMA is a complete system, the more important question to ask (depending on how much time your willing to devote to learning and where you want to go) is "What education does my instructor have? Does he or she have the equivalent to a high school diploma (Advanced Student) secondary education (Student) or just an elementary education (Beginner)? Or is your instructor worthy of a BA Degree (Guro) or MBA (Advanced Guro) or PHD (Tuhon, Punong Guro)? Or does your instructor have several PHDs (Grand Tuhon, Suro, Gat Puno)? Okay enough of being general. I want to brag. My instructor, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet offers instuction in one of the most complete FMA systems around!!!Not only is he a master in all stickfighting ranges but he could handle any Brazilian. Japanese, or American grappling system out there. A handkerchief, stick, rope, knife, sword, staff, even nunchaku, there is practically no limit to what Gat Puno has mastered. And to get back to the original question, Garimot is a complete FMA system. Gat Puno offers instruction in the following: stickfighting (including bladed weapon) - all ranges Corto, Medio and Largo Knife and Balisong Empty Hand Buno (grappling) Sikaran (kicking) LEO techniques Hilot - this separates Gat Puno from all other instructors. Not only can he show you how to hurt, he can show you how to heal! Finally, I like to make clear that what I have written is not to be taken as a challenge or offense to any other FMA or martial art system or person. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Bobbe Edmonds" To: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:58:13 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Brace Yourselves... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > "What school offers the most complete FMA program? As far as empty hand, > weapons, and ranges? Most complete? I smell a debate coming. :) But I'd say Inayan."< You're on! I'm throwing in with the Inosanto Academy. Takers? :)) Bobbe Edmonds --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Bobbe Edmonds" To: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:00:06 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Forgot to mention... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net GM Cacoy also mentioned to me that he was putting a stick & dagger book together as well. I'll keep you posted! Bobbe Edmonds --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 14:09:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Dobe Snyder To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] FMA used in "The Bourne Identity" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Matt Damon mentions in an interview with Entertainment Tonight that, in preparation for the fight scenes in the movie "The Bourne Identity," he "...did martial arts training for an hour-and-a-half a day, which was this Phillipino style called 'Kali.'" The full article can be found at http://www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/fullmonty/282/, which is Matt Damon fan club site. Before I get any smart comments, no, I don't belong to the fan club. A girl I work with mentioned she heard the Filipino martial arts mentioned in a TV interview with Matt Damon, so a web search turned up that site. It will be interesting to see what the fight scenes look like..... Brian Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "David Foggie" To: Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:46:17 +1000 Subject: [Eskrima] Suro Mike Inay Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings to all. In my previous post relating to the passing of some of the leading grandmasters of the Filipino martial arts, I forgot to memtion the name of Suro Mike Inay. Thank you Guro Steve Klement for kindly contacting me and pointing out my oversight. There was no disrepect intended in the omittance of Suro Mike Inay. His name became synomonous with the development of arnis/eskrima. Like all the grandmasters, he has left his family and followers a priceless gift. Respect to all. David --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: policedo@martialartsresource.net (Policedo), eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima), the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 06:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Al Qaeda training tape Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Forwarded message. >I recently had the opportunity to conduct a detailed review of a >captured Al Qaeda training tape. > >My impressions: > >The tape was apparently produced for Al Qaeda internal use and did not >appear to be an external propaganda production. > >The tape showed Al Qaeda operatives engaging in a number of training >exercises including small arms firing ranges, live-fire room entry, and >numerous mixed live-fire/role-player type of scenarios. > >Scenarios included: Assassinations, Kidnappings, Bombings, and Small >unit raids on various types of targets. The training depicted in these >scenarios was clearly for export according to an intelligence expert >that commented on the tape. "None of these training scenarios depicts >the type of fighting that Al Qaeda engages in within Afghanistan." > >Detailed planning, diagramming and walk-through's followed by live-fire >exercises were the norm. > >There were a lot of role playing, scenario type of interactions. > >The role players made aggressive moves simulating resistance at various >points throughout the scenarios. All such resistance was met with >immediate and brutal countermeasures by the terrorists. There was no >presumed compliance on the part of the terrorists. > >The effort to produce detail and realism in training was impressive. > >These people are using extremely effective training methods! > >The following points were seen REPEATEDLY and ROUTINELY throughout the >training exercises: > >1. Use of standard military small unit tactics with multiple elements. >(Assault, Security and Support elements) > >2. Coordination with sub-elements via hand-held FM radios. > >3. Use of pick-up trucks by the assault element to conduct >raids/assassinations (shooters concealed in bed of truck). > >4. Use of Motorcycles by the security element (as well as in the >historical role as a shooting platform for drive by >shootings/assassinations.) > >5. Use of explosives upon withdrawal from the objective. > >6. Use of vehicle horn to signal withdrawal (and initiation of explosives.) > >7. Detailed planning and rehearsal of all actions. > >8. Exercise of prisoner handling procedures. From initial contact, to >search and control, to execution of prisoners. Role players could be >heard begging not to be killed (IN ENGLISH). Terrorists practiced >commands in English also. > >9. Multiple man room entries. Typically one or two, 2-man teams that >assumed a back to back position near the center of the room. > >10. Distraction devices used prior to room entry. Fuse lit devices >(improvised?) > >11. Multiple breach points into structures and into individual rooms. > >12. All scenarios were practiced live-fire. Including those that >involved role players. Paper targets and role players were interspersed >in the same scenarios. (The terrorists showed good muzzle awareness and >control.) > >The weapons handling was NOT haphazard. All terrorist operatives carried >and fired their weapons using the same techniques. > >Some specific weapons handling idiosyncrasies are: > >1. Handguns were carried in high ready. > >2. Long guns (AK variants) were carried and fired rotated 90 degrees >(ejection port up) > >Specific scenarios included: > >1. Targeting of law enforcement officers in ambush/assassinations. Faked >disabled vehicle with shooters concealed in trunk of car or bed of >truck. When officer stops his vehicle behind "disabled vehicle" assault >is initiated by driver blowing horn. Target was first engaged with rifle >fire from the vehicle, terrorists then debussed to administer "coup de >grace" at close range. An explosive device was thrown into the LE >vehicle on exfiltration. This was one of a number of scenarios that were >shown first as a diagram and explanation, then progressing to dry fire >walk through and finally to a live-fire exercise. Target location was >shown as a 6 lane divided highway with the terrorist vehicle located >just prior to the exit/cloverleaf (to allow multiple exfiltration routes >and security overview.) There aren't any such highways in Afghanistan >and damn few in the Middle East. In one iteration of this scenario the >security/overwatch element was exercised firing on possible responding LEOs. > >2. Residential assassination. Innocuous looking person (weapon >concealed) knocks on door of residence. Stands in view of peephole and >answers question from resident through closed door. When resident opens >door terrorist draws and fires, emptying weapon into victim. > >3. Assassination on golf course. Target was on the green (at the >pin/flag.) A Rocket Propelled Grenade (RPG) was fired at a vehicle >adjacent to the green (VIP security element?) to initiate the hit. >Target was then engaged with rifle fire. > >4. Two and four-man live-fire room entry (2-man back to back technique) >with target discrimination (shoot/no shoot targets). > >5. Raid on compound (Kidnapping). One person taken. Initiated with RPG. >Initiation was when Guard Shack was taken out with grenades. Primary >target building was engaged with RPG. Primary target building was >entered through multiple breach points (through explosive breach of wall >and through windows.) Exfiltration was by truck with motorcycle security >element in overwatch positions. > >6. Drive up kidnapping of target walking down the street. > >7. Use of tunnels/storm drains/sewers for infiltration and exfiltration >during raids. > >8. Rappelling from roof of building to make entry on upper floors was >shown on more than one occasion. > >9. Motorcycle drive-by target practice. Shooter stands up on rear pegs >and extends arms over driver. Excellent muzzle awareness and control. > >10. Grenades thrown into second story windows by motorcycle drive-bys. > >MULTIPLE SCENARIOS/EXERCISES involved raids on buildings with a large >number of occupants (school or office building?) > >These raids followed a standard pattern: > >1. Covert/surreptitious entry into building and movement to initial points. >(Rifles hidden on persons and in bags/cases carried into building.) > >2. Initiation with extreme violence of action. Any resisters are shot. > >3. Immediate positive control and search of prisoners. Any resisters, or >anyone they don't like the look of, are shot. > >4. Segregation of prisoners into manageable groups. (Explosives were >displayed to gain psychological dominance over prisoners.) > >5. Movement of selected prisoners in small groups to the roof where >terrorists posture and make statements for the press/cameras. > >6. Prisoners executed one-by-one in front of the press/cameras. > >7. All scenarios involving prisoners ended in execution of the prisoners >and none included a plan for exfiltration of the terrorists. They plan >to kill the prisoners and to die in place. > >The major take home lesson here is that although the enemy is known to >be seeking the ability and opportunity to use weapons of mass >destruction and of an unconventional nature, such as hijacked airliners, >they are also spending a lot of time training to carry out attacks the >old-fashioned way. Attacks executed by small groups of dedicated >personnel equipped with little more than small arms. > >There is information to the effect that the "perfect day" as seen by Al >Qaeda would combine attacks designed to produce the maximum number of >casualties with attacks that would give them the opportunity to get >"face time" on the news channels to deliver their rhetoric. For maximum >effect these attacks would take place nearly simultaneously at multiple >geographically separate locations. > >We need to address, in training and in personal preparation, the >differences between a typical criminal victimization and a terrorist >incident in terms of early recognition and appropriate response. I.E. >The typical bank robbery vs. finding yourself in the middle of a >terrorist attack on a "financial institution"(as per the recent FBI warning.) > >If you find yourself in the middle of one of these attacks, there will >not be time for the SWAT team to intervene on your behalf. Compliance >will buy you only a very little time. If you are identified as a >potential problem to the terrorists you will be shot! (They are training >to spot Law Enforcement, Security and Corrections Officers as well as >armed citizens.) If, by feigned compliance, you make it through the >first cut you can expect to be physically restrained and then controlled >with threats to the rest of your group and to the other groups. "We will >blow up the women and children in the next room if any of you do not do >exactly as we say!" Your ultimate fate, if you do not resist, is to be >ritually executed in front of the television cameras. > >In my opinion the best time to act is most likely to be at the >initiation of the attack. Once the terrorists are consolidating on the >objective it will be very difficult to take effective action. You must >plan on providing effective resistance at the first opportunity! Shoot, >move and communicate. Seek cover, use your weapon as required. Attempt >to acquire a better weapon system at the first opportunity (do you know >how to place an AK into operation?) > >Keep in mind that before any terrorist action there are many >opportunities to interrupt their cycle by detecting their pre-mission >activities. This is where we all can be of assistance. Pay attention to >what is going on around you as you go about your daily business. >Investigate and report any unusual or suspicious activity that you >observe (note vehicle make and model, license plates, personnel >descriptions etc.) > >John Holschen >Insights Training Center, Inc --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest