Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 07:52:10 -0700 (PDT) From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #218 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Defanging the snake (Mike Casto) 2. RE: mandemuda.com (Mike Casto) 3. RE: 7th WEKAF (Steve VanHarn) 4. Muay Thai (william schultz) 5. Sheesh! (Tye W. Botting) 6. Re: RE: Does size matter? Pak Vic? (fwd) (Seraksatu@aol.com) 7. US-RP stuff (Marc Denny) 8. More on Wildbill (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:44:10 -0500 From: Mike Casto To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Defanging the snake Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net << Also, is the "Defang the snake" concept truly unique to the FMA? >> Absolutely not. Though that's the only place I've heard that particular term. The *concept* is not unique to FMA at all. I've seen the same in Silat. In Shen Chuan (an eclectic system with its primary roots in Kenpo, Kempo, Aikijujitsu, Aikido, and Hapkido), they use the term "first come, first served" for this concept. In all the Karate systems I've been exposed to or trained in, they use the phrase "every block should be a strike, every strike a block." This is, again, the "defanging the snake" concept. Mike --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:41:09 -0500 From: Mike Casto Subject: RE: [Eskrima] mandemuda.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The Mande Muda high muckety-mucks (no disrespect intended ... I just don't have any other name for them as a collective ;-) have been trying to fix this for quite a while now. Mike -----Original Message----- From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net [mailto:eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net]On Behalf Of jonbroster@another.co.uk Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 4:49 AM To: combat kuntao silat list; eskrima digest; silat group; silat world Subject: [Eskrima] mandemuda.com Hi I am posting this to several lists, I am sorry if this causes any duplication, but I feel that the matter is important. At present the URL mandemuda.com is being used by a porn website. This seems to me totally unreasonable (especially given Pak Herman's relatively recent death) and probably against internet rules whereby ownwers of URL need to be able to demonstrate a legitimate claim to the URL. Is there a Federal (in the US) or other governmental agency to which one can complain about this kind of abuse? If members of this list were to complain surely the minimum response of the agency involved would be to prevent the current misuse. Who should be contacted in this regard? Jon There's nothing more dangerous than a blunt knife! http://www.geocities.com/jonbroster -- Personalised email by http://another.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Steve VanHarn" To: Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:51:50 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: 7th WEKAF Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Jon wrote:>>>>>> As I understand matters at the moment, the competition is being arranged by John James (formerly Rapid Arnis Bristol now Kapatiran Arnis) and will take place at the Elephant & Castle in London leisure centre. That is all I know. Is anyone coming? List members involved? I would love to know. Jon >>>> >>>> I'll be there. BTW, anyone have any advice for packing and transporting my instruments through customs from the USA? Stick, dull alum. knives, and aluminum palakol. Steve Van Harn Arnis Sikaran - Jornales system --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: 20 Jun 2002 13:52:59 -0700 From: "william schultz" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Muay Thai Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings, Does anyone on the digest know of a good Muay Thai school/camp in Rhode Island or southern Mass? Thank you. William Schultz PCMA/MCAC/PTTG --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Tye W. Botting" Organization: Tye's Kung Fu Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 01:44:44 -0500 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Sheesh! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Look what our old gadfly Bill Kneitinger is up to now... I recently got notified of this guestbook entry by him on my kung fu website (I guess he had to lash out there, since I don't have a guestbook on the Modern Arnis one...) Ah, isn't it great to have net-stalkers? I know a number of the rest of you have received countless formulaic requests for advice from him, and then had him get irate when you didn't respond to such impersonal spam emails, so this should be no surprise to you co-sufferers... I can tell you I'm pretty much guaranteed not to feel like helping him after this kind of behavior. No matter how many people you do help, there's always someone like him making you wonder why you even bother to try. Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 00:07:52 -0500 From: wildbill9999@hotmail.com (bk) Tye's Kung Fu Guestbook: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ bk from The Internet wrote on June 21. 2002: =========================================================================== I have tried to contact Dr. Botting via e-mail but for months he has ignored me. Makes you wonder why don't it? I can only hope that he feels inclined to assist me one day. =========================================================================== -- Dr. Tye W. Botting Northern Shaolin / Northern Praying Mantis tye@kungfu.cc Remy Presas' Modern Arnis http://www.kungfu.cc Yang Style Taijiquan --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Seraksatu@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 02:43:10 EDT Subject: Re: [Eskrima] RE: Does size matter? Pak Vic? (fwd) To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Selamat Mas Ray: Does size matter, yes it does. In what prespective? Play game or reality to disengage In play game or tournament were life is not at stake, then it really does not matter at all. The lighter stick will play more a lead role. Also a fact that folks are and do have the ability to take on blows, that is also a fact. Humans are very resiliant, Rodney King proved that also in the Video beating. Dog brother tournaments prove that, seen some very nasty bangs for sure. Pending how the hitting is done. In Silat Sera the hip will play more a leading role. meaning close quarter hitting. Meaning larger diameter sticks. 36" long and 1"7/8 in Diameter. Wild hitting not really the idea, so training the key to surgical strikes. The tip of the stick the area doing the deed. Why, because look at a golf ball I could not throw that ball far enough without throwing my arm out But for a certain the clubhead spead of the club will launch the ball way over 200 yards. So is it with the way you hit a stick to produce awsome power to destroy. So does size matter, yes it does I would take the bigger stick to produce lesser amount of hits, but more breaking hits versus surface hits that are a bit different then deep thrust hits results from the tip of a larger diameter hit. Always looking at the combative side. If Battle brakes out, what would you carry? You can argue allday long of preference, and all are correct As long as the intended use is defined or what kind of stick, the Soempat Curved will have a slide edge over my straight stick Play or disengaged Again define the use Pak Vic From: raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com (Ray Terry) To: seraksatu@aol.com Forwarded message: Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:51:37 PDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] RE: Does size matter? Pak Vic? Status: RO Pak Vic, Given chapter 8 in your excellent treatise "Serak The Tsunami" (see http://www.serak.com) you are obviously big into the study of physics in martial arts and elsewhere. What say you on the 'does size matter' question? I would think (and it feels) that, yes, it does matter. But given the probable ability to greatly accerate a lighter stick to the target, what other issues of interest are coming into play? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 17:26:54 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] US-RP stuff Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: Today's freebie from Stratfor: Crafty ------------------------- S T R A T F O R THE GLOBAL INTELLIGENCE COMPANY http://www.stratfor.com 21 June 2002 THE GLOBAL INTELLIGENCE REPORT - FULL TEXT FOR MEMBERS ONLY ON OUR WEBSITE TODAY FOR MEMBERS ONLY: * Philippines: Rebel Leader Gone But U.S. Set To Stay http://www.stratfor.com/standard/analysis_view.php?ID=204951 * U.S. Using Turkmen Opposition To Pressure President http://www.stratfor.com/standard/analysis_view.php?ID=204956 * Indonesia: Military's Patience With Separatists Waning http://www.stratfor.com/standard/analysis_view.php?ID=204955 * Greek Bombings Not a Threat, For Now http://www.stratfor.com/premium/analysis_view.php?ID=204950 * With or Without Lula, Reasons for Worry in Brazil http://www.stratfor.com/standard/analysis_view.php?ID=204954 * Afghanistan: Tenuous Ethnic Balance in Karzai's Cabinet http://www.stratfor.com/standard/analysis_view.php?ID=204948 * Colombian Military Expansion Poses Problems for Venezuela http://www.stratfor.com/standard/analysis_view.php?ID=204949 ___________________________________________________________________ Philippines: Rebel Leader Gone But U.S. Set To Stay Summary The Philippine military says it has killed Abu Sabaya, one of the key leaders of the Abu Sayyaf rebel group, during a naval gun battle June 21. Sabaya's death -- coming just weeks after a raid by the Philippine military deprived the group of its two American hostages -- has removed much of the overt justification for U.S. military forces to be in the southern Philippines. Yet while the United States is set to pull out most of its forces at the end of July, its strategic interest in the Philippines remains as strong as ever. Analysis Philippine troops June 21 killed Abu Sabaya, a leader of the Abu Sayyaf rebel group, during a naval gun battle off the coast of Zamboanga del Norte in the southern Philippines. Sabaya's death comes just weeks after Philippine forces attempted to rescue one Filipino and two Americans who had been held hostage by the group for more than a year. Although the raid had mixed results -- only one of the U.S. hostages escaped alive -- it did deprive the Abu Sayyaf of its human shields, freeing up the Philippine military to accelerate and expand its operations against the rebels. After losing their two American hostages and a key leader, the Abu Sayyaf is posing less of a threat by the day, and the U.S. military is preparing to pull out most of its forces from the southern Philippines when joint training exercises with Filipino troops end July 31. However, Washington's six-month deployment on Abu Sayyaf's tiny island stronghold of Basilan was always about more than helping the country battle a militant group loosely linked to al Qaeda. The death of Sabaya, and the scheduled end of Balikitan 02-1 joint exercises, would appear to deny the United States much of its justification for remaining in the Philippines. But Washington is still interested in expanding military relations with Manila, and there are signs that the U.S. military is preparing for a longer-term presence in its former colony. Sabaya's killing follows Washington's decision to expand the role of its training forces on Basilan. Previously, U.S. trainers and advisers were restricted in their interactions with their Filipino counterparts, having permission only to train large groups of soldiers numbering in the hundreds. Under new guidelines, U.S. forces could train much smaller groups of soldiers and accompany them on patrols in Basilan, where they are hunting the remnants of the Abu Sayyaf. The expanded role for the U.S. military has been a source of contention inside the Department of Defense, most notably in the conflicting opinions of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy Paul Wolfowitz. Wolfowitz has been a strong supporter of greater U.S. military involvement in the Philippines -- and in the rest of Southeast Asia for that matter. Rumsfeld, however, apparently questioned the necessity of the large-scale U.S. military presence, which began in January, and seems more cautious of being inadvertently drawn into a larger conflict in the Philippines -- perhaps between government forces and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, a rebel group operating on the island of Mindanao. The conflicting U.S. factions have apparently struck a compromise wherein the training operations will be expanded but still constrained by geography and time. By restricting the U.S. forces to Basilan, the chances of an encounter with the MILF are significantly reduced. Furthermore, Abu Sayyaf forces appear to be fleeing their former stronghold and moving instead to Mindanao, Jolo and the Tawi Tawi islands. Sticking to the current six-week deadline for the end of the initial training exercises also limits the chances of U.S. forces coming under fire or being drawn into a larger conflict. But a reduced U.S. presence on the ground in Basilan veils Washington's longer-term strategic interest in the Philippines, which sits astride the dividing line between the Pacific Ocean and the South China Sea. The Philippines is a perfectly located staging ground for any future al Qaeda-hunting Washington may wish or need to do in Southeast Asia -- as well as an important strategic location in case relations with China turn sour. The U.S. military is already undertaking considerable infrastructure improvements on Basilan, building roads and upgrading airstrips and port facilities. And during his early June visit to Manila, Wolfowitz lobbied for a logistics supply arrangement that would give the U.S. military storage facilities for fuel and supplies in the Philippines in return for continued assistance and equipment for the Philippine military. If such a deal is signed -- and it is likely that Philippine President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo will back it -- it would represent more than the creation of a supply dump. Rather, it would be more of a "contingency dump," a pre-positioning of U.S. supplies and fuel in case Washington needs to launch counterterrorism or other military operations in Southeast Asia. Ultimately, despite the debate over the expediency of continued U.S. involvement in the fight against the Abu Sayyaf, Washington's biggest question in the country is no longer "should I stay or should I go." Instead, it is "how much stuff store I leave now that I am staying." ___________________________________________________________________ <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< SEND THIS TO A FRIEND! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you like this analysis? Then forward it to a friend! Got this from a friend? 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All rights reserved. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 06:47:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] More on Wildbill Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Look what our old gadfly Bill Kneitinger is up to now... > > I recently got notified of this guestbook entry by him on my kung fu website > (I guess he had to lash out there, since I don't have a guestbook on the > Modern Arnis one...) Ah, isn't it great to have net-stalkers? I know a > number of the rest of you have received countless formulaic requests > for advice from him, and then had him get irate when you didn't respond > to such impersonal spam emails, so this should be no surprise to you > co-sufferers... Yes, he is a well known and well documented nut case. Many have had problems with him. All should stay well clear of him. Ray Terry --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest