Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #224 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Complementary Arts (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 01:53:21 -0500 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Complementary Arts to FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net << I was just wondering if anyone out there had any suggestions concerning complementary arts to FMA; an art someone can study that can fit it with FMA and complement it, not something like Karate or Kung-Fu which has totally different moves, but I mean something more like Wing Chun maybe. >> Umm ... sorry to nitpick ... but Wing Chun is a system of Kung Fu. Just a particular system will suit each person differently, so will a different combination of systems. I think that any system can complement any other system. Where they overlap the understanding of the overlapping area is deepened. Where they don't, the breadth of general knowledge is increased. Finding things that mesh *for you* is the key ... and all any of the rest of us can do is to say what meshes for us. For me, Silat and Kali are a good combination. And Shen Chuan compliments that combination further. But that's me. << Another question I had is if anyone knows what is the difference between Inayan FMA and Doce Pares FMA (Cacoy Canete's style). Where I live there is a Doce Pares school, but from what I've been reading Inayan is clearly a more complete and all-round style that is adequate for all fighting ranges. Would someone with some more experience care to comment? >> Well, since I've had only a little exposure to the Inayan system and I study Doce Pares Eskrima/Eskrido, my answer would be somewhat biased. I do, however, think that Doce Pares Eskrima/Eskrido *is* a "complete and all-around style that is adequate for all fighting ranges." Its *preference* (or maybe specialty is a better term) is definitely mid and close range work ... but that doesn't mean it's lacking in the long range. I'm guessing, though, that Ray can give a more detailed comparison. I assume his background is primarily Inayan (given that he chose to call this the "Inayan Eskrima / FMA Digest") ... but I've gotten the impression that he's experienced in Doce Pares Eskrima/Eskrido also and can maybe shed some more light on your question. Mike --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 03:45:11 -0700 (PDT) To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] The Definitive FMA or Kali Movie Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net For Guro Crafty and all the FMA'ers with Hollywood contacts here, how about coming up with a definitive FMA Hollywood movie? Something that will launch the FMA into full public awareness and consciousness, the same way that Steven Seagal launched aikido into popular awareness in the early 90's and late 80's? It should be realistic and bone-crunching (the stuff movie fans like so much)and should showcase a good guy who's very well rounded (usually martial arts and some indigenous alternative interests). How about an FMA version of the "Karate Kid"? That movie made EVERY Manila kid in the mid 1980's want to study karate. I'm sure our own FMA version would do the same for the FMA here in the Philippines. On the other hand, the internal politics of the different arnis/kali/escrima clubs here in the Philippines does have a very great deal to do with the reason why FMA hasn't taken off here in its homeland. And BTW, when we say FMA here in the Philippines, we do not include silat which is IMA (Indonesian Martial Arts). Only in the West do you guys put together FMA and IMA. ===== Earn $$ just by receiving and reading email! http://www.resource-a-day.net/member/index.cgi?Brandon96 Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 To: Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 05:02:04 -0700 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] It works! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:43:34 EDT > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] RE : Stick Effectiveness > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Currently, in law enforcement, we are relegated to attacking only a few > certain areas with the sticks. These areas, after hitting quite a few people > and seeing quite a few people hit, don't work for squat. While speaking with > a veteran officer who worked in the 60's, sticks were your best friend. I > asked him how that could be as they were ineffective now. He said we're not > allowed to hit peop like like you were then. He recalled ending many a fight > back then with a really, really hard blow to the HEAD with a stick. he said > that put 'em down real quick. His second best friend was a lead weighted > blackjack. According to him, you learned how to hit someone just hard enough > to knock them out, but not hard enough to kill them. All this with a blissful > sigh for yesteryear from him as he shakes his head and speaks of the strange > new world of law enforcement .....:) > > In closing I guess what I'm trying to get at is don't condemn the the stick > as an effetcive tool, just condemn the method with which it is used. And the > crappy "Time On Target" stuff they teach us now, sheesh...... When I was 15 a policeman tapped me on the head with a blackjack. Very effective. Lots of blood too. Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 4 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 06:36:55 -0700 (PDT) From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] yet more old pics Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net fwiw, more old pics and postcards from the Philippines available at martialartsresource.com. http://martialartsresource.com/filipino/oldpics5.htm http://martialartsresource.com/filipino/oldpics6.htm Ray Terry --__--__-- Message: 5 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Complementary Arts to FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 7:43:56 PDT From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Another question I had is if anyone knows what is the difference between > Inayan FMA and Doce Pares FMA (Cacoy Canete's style). How is an apple different from an orange? Both are delicious. Ray Terry --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 07:32:57 -0700 (PDT) To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Teachers/ training partners SE Iowa Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Good day all! I've been forced to dabble back into 'traditional' MA's due to the lack of resouces in my area. I simply cannot go on! Anyone on the list active in Arnis/ Kali/ etc in SE Iowa, Central Illinois. I am seeking training partners and/ or a teacher to continue the path... Please respond off line to vikingbrothers714@yahoo.com Many thankS!! Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:42:33 +0000 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Complementary Arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I was just wondering if anyone out there had any suggestions concerning complementary arts to FMA; an art someone can study that can fit it with FMA and complement it, not something like Karate or Kung-Fu which has totally different moves, but I mean something more like Wing Chun maybe. What would someone suggest as an art beside FMA for real no non- sense techniques and that would blend in well with FMA. Would Wing Chun be the right choice? Or is there something else out there that would be more effective? Maybe Muay Thai or boxing? And how about Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu? Another question I had is if anyone knows what is the difference between Inayan FMA and Doce Pares FMA (Cacoy Canete's style). Where I live there is a Doce Pares school, but from what I've been reading Inayan is clearly a more complete and all-round style that is adequate for all fighting ranges. Would someone with some more experience care to comment? Your fellow FMA brother. Alex. Hi Alex. I am a Doce Pares practitioner under Grandmaster Cacoy. Although we train largo & media, the close range style is the most emphasized. You could say it's about 80% of our technique. This is what Grandmaster Cacoy specializes in. Pangamot & Eskrido were born out of different close-range fighting styles, and a need to deal with weponry barehanded at close-range. I have never seen Inayan, so therefore I cannot give you a good contrast. However, I have heard (Umm, seen written?) that Inayan trains all ranges, & various different weapons. GM Cacoy deals primarily with stick & dagger, so I would say right off the bat that Inayan is more well rounded. Look them up on the web, see what they have to offer. I would like to add that Dionisio's version of Doce Pares covers this as well, not just close range. I also train Wing Chun, Pentjak Silat Serak, & Russian Sambo. I have found these arts to be similar in lines as far as movement goes, although they each emphasize something different. Wing Chun is strictly a stand-up, close range game, dealing with close range barehanded fighting. Sambo is grappeling, pure & simple, but with an emphasis on leg locks & breaks, as opposed to the Brazilian arm bars & chokes. I haven't trained Serak for very long, but I HAVE been in Pentjak Silat for several years. I think of Silat as a much more defined use of the entire body for attack, defense, & sensitivity. Few arts make the most of every limb the way Serak does. All of these arts are close-range, dealing with technique & sensitivity, as opposed to a distance game of any sort. My training preference is in-your-face combat, so I gravitate towards that. If you are interested in what would go well with your FMA training, I would suggest you experiment around a little, & look for something that fits your personal fighting style. Good luck! ...and train hard! Bobbe Edmonds --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest