Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:37:37 -0500 Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #231 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Today's Topics: 1. From a Marine (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 2. FMA as PE in HS and College in PI. (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 3. 38 cal. to 45 cal. (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 4. beans spilled (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 5. tastes great less filling! (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 6. revelations (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 7. In the presence of greatness (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 8. Preferences (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 9. Re: revelations (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 10. Re: 38 cal. to 45 cal. (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:38:49 -0700 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] From a Marine Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I received the following from an attendee at my last seminar. I liked it so much I thought I would pass it on to you guys. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath >From a speech by retired USMC General Hawley. Said like ONLY a Marine could say it ! Since the attack, I have seen, heard, and read thoughts of such surpassing stupidity that they must be addressed. You've heard them too. Here they are: 1) "We're not good, they're not evil, everything is relative." Listen carefully: We're good, they're evil, nothing is relative. Say it with me now and free yourselves. You see, folks, saying "We're good" doesn't mean, "We're perfect." Okay? The only perfect being is the bearded guy on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. The plain fact is that our country has, with all our mistakes and blunders, always been and always will be, the greatest beacon of freedom, charity, opportunity, and affection in history. If you need proof, open all the borders on Earth and see what happens. In about half a day, the entire world would be a ghost town, and the United States would look like one giant line to see "The Producers." 2) "Violence only leads to more violence." This one is so stupid you usually have to be the president of an Ivy League university to say it. Here's the truth, which you know in your heads and hearts already: Ineffective, unfocused violence leads to more violence. Limp, panicky, half-measures lead to more violence. However, complete, fully-thought-through, professional, well-executed violence never leads to more violence because, you see, afterwards, the other guys are all dead. That's right, dead. Not "on trial," not "reeducated," not "nurtured back into the bosom of love." Dead. D-E-Well, you get the idea. 3) "The CIA and the rest of our intelligence community has failed us." For 25 years we have chained our spies like dogs to a stake in the ground, and now that the house has been robbed, we yell at them for not protecting us. Starting in the late seventies, under Carter appointee Stansfield Turner, the giant brains who get these giant ideas decided that the best way to gather international intelligence was to use spy satellites. "After all," they reasoned, "you can see a license plate from 200 miles away." This is very helpful if you've been attacked by a license plate. Unfortunately, we were attacked by humans. Finding humans is not possible with satellites. You have to use other humans. When we bought all our satellites, we fired all our humans, and here's the really stupid part. It takes years, decades to infiltrate new humans into the worst places of the world. You can't just have a guy who looks like Gary Busey in a Spring Break '93 sweatshirt plop himself down in a coffee shop in Kabul and say "Hi ya, boys. Gee, I sure would like to meet that bin Laden fella. " Well, you can, but all you'd be doing is giving the bad guys a story they'll be telling for years. 4) "These people are poor and helpless, and that's why they're angry at us." Uh-huh, and Jeffrey Dahmer's frozen head collection was just a desperate cry for help. The terrorists and their backers are richer than Elton John and, ironically, a good deal less annoying. The poor helpless people, you see, are the villagers they tortured and murdered to stay in power. Mohamed Atta, one of the evil scumbags who steered those planes into the killing grounds (I'm sorry, one of the "alleged hijackers," according to CNN. They stopped using the word "terrorist," you know), is the son of a Cairo surgeon. But you knew this, too. In the sixties and seventies, all the pinheads marching against the war were upper-middle-class college kids who grabbed any cause they could think of to get out of their final papers and spend more time drinking. At least, that was my excuse. It's the same today. Take the Anti-Global-Warm-ing (or is it World Trade? Oh-who-knows-what-the-hell-they-want demonstrators). They all charged their black outfits and plane tickets on dad's credit card(!) before driving to the airport in their SUV's. 5) "Any profiling is racial profiling." Who's killing us here, the Norwegians? Just days after the attack, the New York Times had an article saying dozens of extended members of the gazillionaire bin Laden family living in America were afraid of reprisals and left in a huff, never to return to studying at Harvard and using too much Drakkar. I'm crushed. I think we're all crushed. Please come back. With a cherry on top? Why don't they just change their names, anyway? It's happened in the past. Think about it. How many Adolfs do you run into these days? Shortly after that, I remember watching TV with my jaw on the floor as a government official actually said, "That little old grandmother from Sioux city could be carrying something." Okay, how about this: No, she couldn't. It would never be the grandmother from Sioux City. Is it even possible? What are the odds? Winning a hundred Powerball lotteries in a row? A thousand? A million? And now a Secret Service guy has been tossed off a plane and we're all supposed to cry about it because he's an Arab? Didn't it have the tiniest bit to do with the fact that he filled out his forms incorrectly three times? And then left an Arab history book on his seat as he strolled off the plane? And came back? Armed? Let's please all stop singing "We Are the World" for a minute and think practically. I don't want to be sitting on the floor in the back of a plane four seconds away from hitting Mt. Rushmore and turn, grinning, to the guy next to me to say, "Well, at least we didn't offend them." SO HERE'S what I resolve for the New Year: Never to forget our murdered brothers and sisters. Never to let the relativists get away with their immoral thinking. After all, no matter what your daughter's political science professor says,we didn't start this. Have you seen that bumper sticker that says, "No More Hiroshimas"? I wish I had one that says, "You First. No More Pearl Harbors." Semper Fi! --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:30:52 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] FMA as PE in HS and College in PI. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net This is a great comment on the status of FMA in the Philippine. I used to teach Arnis as Elective PE in Eastern Laguna Colleges in Paete Laguna and various Elementary schools on the late 70's and early 80's. In four years I'vebeen teaching in Laguna, with the records of 2,500 student under the banner of Paete Arnis Club. A lot of time, student want to see the application right away before they decide to study or take the lesson in Arnis. When I follow Modern Arnis Curricullum, student loss interest, becaused of the simplistic approach, college students open asked challenging question, "What if?. Many time, lead me in proving myself not the Curriculum. So I change it after, I learned from many mistake. I was teaching in PE with Modern Arnis Certificate, but I am using the Paete Arnis Curriculum, based on the Siete Colores Arnis. I gain alot of student until, on day I lost the apportunity to teach anymore in Colleges for stupid fights that I was in to. Anyway, You know what I notice in the Philippines? You always have to prove yourself not only one time, second time but, thirds times to your student itself. If not they will not give you respect, and openly you will be challenge by this crazy students, that they think you have nothing to prove. You are just good in Theory no good in actual combat. If you going to teach there be ready for open challenge. One thing about Filipino's but most of them "To see is to believe". If you cannot walk the talk dont talk at all. We have alot to offer in FMA, we have the Battle Dance called Batalya that use in Moro-moro. Sayaws, that sometimes is open commented non-sense, but if the instructor is really knowledgeable to the History and techniques of the FMA, we can achieved what the Karate Groups, Tae Kwondo, Judo, Aikido Groups are recieved. Anyway, its not too late for FMA, you dont need Filipino American author to make you Filipino motivated in FMA. Becaused some of this authored never been exposed to the real deal Filipino Culture and Arts, in the Philippines, they are living in the shadow of thier instructors story, and claims. That, most of the time is over exagerated tale story. Look around there a lot Maestro that is more worth looking and listening to what I seen, over here is more about the money. Okay its enought on this for now. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA > > FMA is taught in Philippine public and private > schools. I myelf studied it in high school. But the > reason why people here don't like arnis or whatever > you call it (FMA in general) is because of the poor > packaging and marketing strategy--first of all, the > styles of arnis we are shown look like karate with > sticks and hence we are not impressed. We > subconsciously think, "Even here in martial arts, we > don't have any originality and have to copy stuff from > Japan and impose our stick fencing on it". That's what > we feel whenever we see anyos or sayaws that look like > kata and where the practitioners were tacky red pants > and white camisa de chino undershirts that further > reinforce our own stereotypes of FMA'ers as backward > hillbillies. Add to that the stances and hand > positions that look like karate. And the practitioners > here who wear and use belt ranking systems. > > I myself disdained FMA until I discovered Guro Dan > Inosanto and PG Edgar Sulite's books. I realized that > there was a "cool" and more authentic FMA culture here > and abroad. > > Prof. Presas' burial wasn't publicized here. We Flips > are too busy with politics and showbiz gossip. :( --__--__-- Message: 3 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 02:44:48 +0000 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] 38 cal. to 45 cal. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The conversion to the 1911 45 is, as I have also heard it, something of an urban (sic) legend. But what about the term "leatherneck?" Is it true that it comes from the use of a wide, leather guard that protected marines against strikes with a bladed weapon? Stephen G. Lamade _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 4 To: Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:51:00 -0700 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] beans spilled Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I have been following this discussion sporadically and I have to say that > this has been one of the best discussions on E-digest so far. I appologize > if I am re-treading. As far as a reality check, I can say that I am > personally not capable of dropping an unwilling opponent with a stick and > talking to some law enforcement contacts, it seems that strikes that > traditionally were thought to incapacitate have not been effective. > This mirrors the real world statistics on terminal ballistics so not even a > handgun round can drop a human being reliably. It sounds like someone knows what they are talking about. > For the record, Doc Fung has no affiliation with DBMA (Dog Brothers > Martial Arts) or the Dog Brothers. If I have it right, he is a friend and > sparring partner to Island Dog-- who also has no affiliation with DBMA. The > rest of it I leave up to him to explain or not as he wishes. > I would like to make a couple of additional points concerning drawing > lessons from watching our fights: > So in my view my dentist is free to draw the lessons he wishes. All true. I tried to explain myself in an ealier post as to my origin. None of us from the Inosanto/Bustillo lineage have the same path. Most of us hold to common concepts represented by common drills but the applications are all derived from personal research or mentoring of others. There are two important lessons from Guro Inosanto which I will never forget. One, "I cannot teach you everything" and two, "you have to do your own personal research". Aside from sharing a few classes with Crafty I have done nothing more with Crafty other then exchange ocasional time doing some drills at Inosanto's. I really need to spend more time with Crafty. Nextime he comes in I'll have to buy him lunch. I am sure within the hour we will have all the worlds problems solved. I use his group due to its huge following. What he does has almost become a common language/frame of referrence from which to discuss. People who don't even do stickwork have heard of DogBrothers. He has developed quite a brand. Personally, I draw no conclusions or lessons from watching the gatherings other than the comraderie of many friends and a nice time out in the sun with great entertainment watching a sport I love with participants I respect. Watching gatherings for me gives me insirpation to train and chances to connect with old friends in an attempt to lure them into a backyard training session. Soemtimes we'll train something we have seen like working sticks in and out of a clinch or somthing like that. I think it is dangerous to draw specific conclusions because the fighting measure is dynamic. You can however, see things to try, do statistics, explore a senario but "viewing only" and concluding will lead to errors. For him > the stick is a crappy weapon. He has his reasons. If they make us think, > then that is great. Crafty of course sees right through me. He must be tiring of this thread because he has spilled the beans ;-). Its time to move on... If you are'nt trainin you might as well be thinkin... Regards, Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. Torrance, Ca. --__--__-- Message: 5 To: Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:55:25 -0700 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] tastes great less filling! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > So which is it, Doc? Placement is BS or placement increases your odds? :) > > Placement is not BS, as it does greatly increase your odds of success. > Putting placement and power together is better yet... > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com Ray, You know I'm busting your chops. I curling a 12 ouncer right now. You never know where you will get your insiration. The answer is...."It tastes great AND its less filling!" Regards, Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. Torrance, Ca. --__--__-- Message: 6 To: Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:07:32 -0700 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] revelations Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I wasn't offended I was just amused that someone who had spent so much time > in the FMAs would make such a statement. I am glad I entertain you. > I know quite a few individuals, male and female, that can hit with authority > under stress and quite accurately. If you only know a few then I guess we > don't know and train with the same people. Very possible and I know "very" few. Ask Guro Dan what percentage of people can really hit with authority in real-time on moving targets. > Congratulations. 30 years and only been hit once hard in the head is a true > indicator of your skill and training. I am not bragging. I am one data point. I have been hit alot. I have had too many bruises to count as well as joint rips, brusied ribs etc. I have no certificates, no guro title, nada zip nothing, just time in the "ring"/on the"mat". I have been hit "really" hard once. It was an amazing training revelation. It was not an indication of my skill and training but showed a glaring lack and true complacency. We all should be so lucky to have such enlightenment in training where you still get to go to work on Monday. If my movement was just a bit more crisp I would never have gained that enlightnement. Each of us has to evaluate his own training method. Complacency is your enemy. Have you ever been flyfishing? Regards, Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. Torrance, Ca. --__--__-- Message: 7 To: Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 01:42:37 -0700 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] In the presence of greatness Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: My much elder brother in Sayoc Kali wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > There's been some discussion on FMAs related sites and message boards about > someday seeing a Kali related big budget Hollywood film. > > , , , , > > In addition, Guro > Tom showed the director that I was also a professional > illustrator/storyboard artist as prior to coming to the location I drew up > possible sequences in storyboard format. This led to me to officially > storyboarding the knife scenes. , , ,. Upon seeing the mine of material > to draw from, The HUNTED became a knife film almost overnight. > > One of the perks in working on a film is meeting some amazing talents, > as a sidenote I even met one of the eskrima digest listers Crafty Dog as he > was in from LA visiting Tuhon Sayoc during one of the training sessions with > the film's stunt double. This is very funny. Those of you with a background in fine visual literature may know Rafael as one of the great illustrators of "Conan the Barbarian" !!!!!! I was in awe!!! Fortunately for me he is very humble and gave me an autographed copy of a poster of one of the many covers he did and it now sits over my desk as I type these words. Those storyboards must have been something!!! In the presence of greatness, Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 8 To: "'eskrima@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:12:36 +0100 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Preferences Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I always liked the ability to see who posted from the menu at the top, but if its required to stop spamming I'll get used to the new way, might stop me be too selective with the posts! Pat Davies --__--__-- Message: 9 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] revelations To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 07:21:13 -0700 (PDT) From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Doc says: > I am not bragging. I am one data point. I have been hit alot. Crafty, you sure it is wise to go to a tooth Doc that has been hit a lot??? :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] 38 cal. to 45 cal. To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 07:35:31 -0700 (PDT) From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > The conversion to the 1911 45 is, as I have also heard it, something of an > urban (sic) legend. But what about the term "leatherneck?" Is it true that > it comes from the use of a wide, leather guard that protected marines > against strikes with a bladed weapon? The term Leatherneck for a Marine has been used about as long as the US Marine Corps has been around (late 1700s). A debate exists whether the Leatherneck term was first used by the Royal Marines or the US Marines. IIRC the leather on the neck of the uniform was for proper military bearing. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest