Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 03:51:49 -0500 Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #232 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Today's Topics: 1. Leatherneck (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 2. Re: One Shot and they keep coming (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 3. Re: Knife fighting movies (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 4. Re: Preferences (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 5. popguns (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 6. Dental kitty (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 7. From a Marine (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 8. (no subject) (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 9. GM Canete's Atlantic City Seminar (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 10. sticks that last (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:51:11 -0700 (PDT) From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Leatherneck Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net A snip from v07.n469 issue of the Eskrima/FMA digest: "... it pre-dates US involvement in Philippines. The leather collar was for protection against getting one's throat slashed though. The collar on the "dress blues" is modeled after older (taller) "leatherneck" collars. Source=history class on wonderful Parris Island, SC. Semper Fidelis, Travis" Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:49:56 -0700 Organization: none To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: One Shot and they keep coming Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Also a little Filipino moro history shows us that several rounds from a .38 caliber could not stop the >moro. Which, I beleive led to the .45 caliber. Well, from my reading of the accounts, there were some drugs involved in the Jurimentado. Otherwise, I find it remarkable that the .38 caliber was deemed sufficient to stop the typical opponent before exposure to Moro rampages. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:06:48 -0700 Organization: none To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Knife fighting movies Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > The "Hunted" sounds like it is going to be a good movie. I do want to point > out that the movie "Exposure" was a movie specifiaclly about knife fighting, > choreographed by Chris Kent with the FMA's as its core structure. It > possibly was not done on the same budget of Hunted , but the fight > sequences are excellent, five people die in the movie, all due to knife > work, not a gun is ever pulled. The intensity of the encounters is very high > and if you haven't seen it put it high on your list. Agreed ! I totally loved "Exposure". Since there are several movies with the same name, look for the 1991 "Exposure" with Peter Coyote. It's one of the few movies I own with any somewhat realistic martial arts training sequences. The sinister Tcheky Karyo plays an excellent role as the knife teacher and right hand man of the main villain. As for knife fighting sequences, I remember some sort of blade fight in Steven Seagal's 1992 "Under Seige". I saw the movie before I had an eye for knife fighting, but I remember being dazzled by the rapid clash of blades. I would guess that this would look contrived to me today. --__--__-- Message: 4 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Preferences To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:18:34 -0700 (PDT) From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I always liked the ability to see who posted from the menu at the top, but > if its required to stop spamming I'll get used to the new way, might stop me > be too selective with the posts! > > Pat Davies Ok. I'm starting to see the down side here... :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 To: Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:34:02 -0400 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] popguns Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Watched a historical NRA vid on the "10 best firearms of all time". Browning's 1911 .45 design was among those chosen. It recounted the history of the .45 as in Guro I's book. The Army had gone from .45 revolvers down to .38's which had problems stopping the highly determined Moro's. They then readopted the .45 this time using Browning's design. Evan Marshall, author of Stopping Power, the terminal ballistics book recounted "I'm aware of two 9MM shootings where 15 rnds were taken w/o the desired result. One involved jsp ammo and the other involved a jhp where the jacket had been rolled over into the cavity. I've only gotten detailed info on one incident where a light weight .357 "exploded" and failed to penetrate deeply enough to do its job. Oh, I've heard all sorts of war stories but there's never been any supporting documentation. I personally witnessed bad guy take 4 rnds of .44 Magnum in the chest and then be beat into submission! If you don't like 9MMs, don't carry one, but those that think such failures don't happen in big bores are in for a rude shock." Power, placement and repetition matter ....be it fists, sticks or projectiles! Regards, Travis pentjakker@cox.net >>Well, yes, I could be wrong. > >But here are the points that I recall. The military had already been using >the .45 in a revolver for some time. The had been looking at going to >a highly reliable semi-auto many years prior to adopting the 1911. -And- >the Moro warriors were difficult at times to put down with the old underpower >.30 cal Krag rifles. So again, as I recall, the encounters w/the Moros >perhaps had more to do with dropping the Krag for the .30-06 Springfield >than they did with adopting the M1911 in .45ACP. After all, sidearms in >general are not the best man stoppers, even in .45. But your battle rifle >of choice just hasta gotta do the trick. > >Good round placement does help... :) --__--__-- Message: 6 To: Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:21:23 -0700 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Dental kitty Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All > > For the record, Doc Fung has no affiliation with DBMA (Dog Brothers > > Martial Arts) or the Dog Brothers. If I have it right, he is a friend and > > sparring partner to Island Dog-- who also has no affiliation with DBMA. > The rest of it I leave up to him to explain or not as he wishes. > All true. I tried to explain myself in an ealier post as to my origin. The reason I posted this was because one of the posts in the thread seemed unclear on this and in my experience for every person who speaks up there are several more with the same misunderstanding who haven't spoken up. There was nothing misleading in what Doc said. >From time to time its probably a good idea to review this for those who are interested. Briefly: Dog Brothers Inc Martial Arts/DBIMA Established in 1988 prior to the founding of the Dog Brothers in the same year. Yours truly is President. For legal liability reasons DBIMA is the vehicle used to host the Gatherings and for my activities as a teacher. The Dog Brothers: founded 1988, headed by the Council of Elders-- Top Dog: The Fighting Force Salty Dog: The Silent Force yours truly: The Guiding Force Dog Brothers Martial Arts/DBMA: Founded by yours truly in 1995. Top and Salty are involved. Dog Brothers Martial Arts Association/DBMAA: The organization for those wishing to train in DBMA > None of us from the Inosanto/Bustillo lineage have the same path. Aint that the truth! , , , I really need to spend more time with Crafty. > Nextime he comes in I'll have to buy him lunch. I am sure within the hour > we will have all the worlds problems solved. It would be my pleasure. I'll be braver in the expression of my political-economic thoughts when you don't have that drill in my mouth. > > Crafty of course sees right through me. He must be tiring of this thread > because he has spilled the beans ;-). Its time to move on... The Adventure Continues > Regards, > Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. likewise, > Doc says: > > I am not bragging. I am one data point. I have been hit alot. > > Crafty, you sure it is wise to go to a tooth Doc that has been hit a lot??? > :) > Ray Terry Yeah, well, but he's very tolerant of my being a dental kitty. Yip! Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:43:32 -0700 (PDT) To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] From a Marine Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net While I agree with much of what General Hawley wrote, I have to point out some of his more problematic statements. ____________________ The General wrote: will be, the greatest beacon of freedom, charity, opportunity, and affection in history. If you need proof, open all the borders on Earth and see what happens. In about half a day, the entire world would be a ghost town, and the United States would look like one giant line to see "The Producers." ____________________ Ah, no. I just don’t see most Western Europeans, Canadians, Australians, Japanese, etc., abandoning their countries for permanent residency in the US. Sorry. No, I am not an America basher. I like the US, and Americans, but think Hawley’s statement is a touch jingoistic. ________________________ The General wrote: 5) "Any profiling is racial profiling." Who's killing us here, the Norwegians? Just days after the attack, the New York Times had an article saying dozens of extended members of the gazillionaire bin Laden family living in America were afraid of reprisals and left in a huff, never to return to studying at Harvard andusing too much Drakkar. I'm crushed. I think we're all crushed. Please come back. With a cherry on top? Why don't they just change their names, anyway? __________ What a stupid statement! It’s ok to prosecute members of the accused’s family? Have members of Timothy McVeigh’s family changed their names? Is there anyone named “Timothy” or “McVeigh” left in America? __________________ The General wrote: It's happened in the past. ___________________ And America placed AMERICANS of Japanese descent into concentration camps during WWII. _____________ The General wrote: now a Secret Service guy has been tossed off a plane and we're all supposed to cry about it because he's an Arab? Didn't it have the tiniest bit to do with the fact that he filled out his forms incorrectly three times? And then left an Arab history book on his seat as he strolled off the plane? And came back? Armed? Let's please all stop singing "We Are the World" for a minute and think practically. ____________ Well, Timothy McVeigh was a caucasian Gulf War vet. Is the General suggesting that caucasian Gulf War vets be profiled as well? I don't think so. Certainly travellers from known terrorist states or with known tieds to terrorist org or funding org for terror groups should be screened. Throwing someone off a plane because he looks Arabic or because he is reading a book on Arab history, is not very effective or rational. Sorry, this email is way off topic. Ed Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 20:09:20 +0000 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] (no subject) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >The term Leatherneck for a Marine has been used about as long as the US >Marine Corps has been around (late 1700s). A debate exists whether the >Leatherneck term was first used by the Royal Marines or the US Marines. >IIRC the leather on the neck of the uniform was for proper military >bearing. The US Marines should get the nod for the term, since the leather stock was as common a part of uniform for British military forces as the red coat, and therefore wouldn't have been a notable exception. Only troops influenced by the decadent French wore cloth cravats around their neck - like all the other US infantry. Badger Jones _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:45:31 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] GM Canete's Atlantic City Seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net For info on the seminar in Atlantic City NJ, contact Guro Joe Parker at (609) 646-2113 Roy --__--__-- Message: 10 To: Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:18:06 -0500 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] sticks that last Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net is there a stick out there that you can recommend that last more than one night of training. I have tried to go easy but I get caught up in the drills and end up with shredded sticks. Bill M --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest