Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:15:27 -0500 Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #235 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Today's Topics: 1. Re: Spam (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 2. Re: Sticks that last (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 3. nice legs shame about the face (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 4. Insoanto Videos (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 5. lost email (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 6. San Miguel Eskrima Seminar Information (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 7. Ring of Fire (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 8. General Hawley (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 9. Synthetic sticks (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 10. Re: Re: Sticks that last (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 11. Gat Puno Abon and the Manila Boys (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 12. FMA in PI. (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 13. seminar ads, etc. (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:33:20 +0800 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Spam Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi All, Here is a little program that I've found very useful against spam: http://www.mailwasher.net/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- S. H. Wee -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 22:39:36 -0600 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Sticks that last Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I've used Hard Rock Maple and broke them. I wasn't able to use my hard, heavy sticks against rattan because it was too brutal on the rattan. Instead I had two sets of the maple so that my training partners could use one. I also didn't use them sparring because rattan sticks are safety equipment. We use them because they are less dangerous. I wrap my rattan sticks with clear plastic hockey tape (I'm from Canada, eh) except for the part I usually hang onto. That way I reduce the damage to the stick somewhat and also preserve a nice grip. Also the sticks my Guru imports seem to be a lot better than what I can purchase locally. They last about 50 % longer. Good luck --__--__-- Message: 3 To: "'eskrima@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:08:58 +0100 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] nice legs shame about the face Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I see the smiley but hey! I don't post xenophobic/ jingoistic rants like 'from a marine'. Come on! This is an International martial arts list. Behave yourself. Having said that I enjoyed watching the biggest sporting event in the world watched by the biggest sporting audience in the world and nice to see the Brazilians celebrating in their normal way. It must be said that while the US team did quite well it was a let down that it was virtually ignored by the US media. > I always liked the ability to see who posted from the menu at the top, but > if its required to stop spamming I'll get used to the new way, might stop me > be too selective with the posts! > > Pat Davies Ok. I'm starting to see the down side here... :) Ray Terry Pat Davies In the uk and happy to be here! ; ) --__--__-- Message: 4 To: "'eskrima@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:13:08 +0100 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Insoanto Videos Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Edged weapons 1&2, Stick and dagger and single stick Four more vIdeo's by Guro Inosanto defining his teaching material. As with the first series there are interviews and the material is core training material. Assisted by Rick Young and Erik Paulson the videos are of high quality. In the US go through the Inosanto Academy, in the UK through Rick Young. Pat Davies --__--__-- Message: 5 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:11:05 -0700 (PDT) From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] lost email Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Forwarding an email left over from when the list was down... >From sdrape@kbs-filipino-martial-systems.org Wed Jun 12 12:54:51 2002 >All I know is that F=MxA. Well..... yes and no. It's a bit more complicated that just the formula. It also has to do with the area of the striking surface and the leverage of the actual strike. There are major differences between shapes of weapons that may have the same Mass, and there are also differences based on whether the entire stick is moving in the same plane or whether is is rotating around a stationary point. In other words, using both a paddle and a narrow stick with exactly the same Mass and Acceleration would in theory generate the same force, but how that force is transmitted to the target would be vastly different. This is where the controversy between snapping strikes and power strikes is based. A strong snap which hits its target exactly with the tip will have a tremendous amount of power at that precise spot, You have the Mass of the stick, and the Acceleration is very fast- much faster than a normal power strike. Yet, if that strike misses its target by just a little and hits up the stick even a few inches from the tip, it won't transmit much damaging power at all. The problem is that it is travelling in an arc, with the base (the hand) not moving much at all, and the farther the strike moves from the tip, the slower the Acceleration, thus less Force, and what force there is, is applied over a wider area. A power strike, on the other hand, is an entirely different animal. Here, there is no base which is not moving. The hand is also moving, though of course slower than the tip, but it makes comparing the Force curves between the two kinds of strikes nearly impossible. Here, the whole stick is moving in the same general direction (at varying rates of speed). This makes it a little more forgiving if the target is missed. The power generated is generated over a longer portion of the stick, making a strike with the upper 1/3 still relatively powerful. It's an interesting debate. IMO, all else being equal, go for the heaviest stick you can handle easily. --__--__-- Message: 6 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 14:03:08 +0000 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] San Miguel Eskrima Seminar Information Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Tom Bisio will be teaching a San Miguel Eskrima seminar on September 15, 2002. This seminar is for individuals with some background in the either the Filipino martial arts or other martial arts systems that employ sticks or edged weapons. Beginners are welcome, but are advised to bring a partner. The Island of Cebu is noted for producing some of the finest martial artists in the Philippines. In the early 1900s, the Saavedra brothers were the most feared fighters in Cebu and many of the great eskrimadors of that century trained with them. Filemon (Momoy) Canete learned directly from the Saavedras, and the stick and dagger methods of San Miguel Eskrima are based directly on their teachings. This seminar will present the essence of the eskrima of Filemon Canete. Techniques and training methods will be presented clearly and completely, so that seminar participants can continue to progress after the seminar's completion. Tom Bisio has been a practitioner of the Filipino Martial Arts for over twenty years, training with such notable teachers as Leo Gaje (Pekiti Tersia Arnis) and Filemon Canete (San Miguel Eskrima). He currently teaches Xing Yi and Ba Gua, and oversees a clinic that treats a wide variety of health problems with Chinese medicine. The seminar will be held on September 15, 2002, from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m., at Whitestone Fighting Arts, in Whitestone (Queens) N.Y. Space is limited and a deposit is required to hold your place. Please contact Stephen Lamade at ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (email) or 718-886-7748 (phone), for further information. Please contact me privately if you would like further information about the seminar. Best, Steve Lamade San Miguel Eskrima _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 7 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 09:38:09 -0700 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Ring of Fire Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net For those of you who didn't make it to this years Ring of Fire in Vegas this year you missed a great one. Guru Dan, Guru Steve Plinck, Guru Andre Knustgraichen, Mahaguru Muda Bob Vanetta, and of course Pak Vic DeThoaurs were outstanding. It was great to get together with my brothers and sisters and play Serak. And then, of course, there was Vegas. Now I really need some sleep. Thanks to the gurus and particularly to Pak for allowing the "hippy" Massachusetts tjabang to be a part of it. Buddy Tripp VDT Academy/Pentjak Silat Serak State Director (muda) --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:47:08 -0700 (PDT) To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] General Hawley Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Just to set the record straight, the comments circulating on the internet attributed to General Hawley were actually written by columnist Larry Miller. See http://www.snopes.com/rumors/hawley.htm Best regards, Jake "Subject: [Eskrima] From a Marine Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net While I agree with much of what General Hawley wrote, I have to point out some of his more problematic statements." Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:57:20 -0700 (PDT) To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Synthetic sticks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net You might want to check out the variety of sticks manufactured by Jeff "Stickman" Finder. http://stickman-escrima.com/ Best regards, Jake Subject: [Eskrima] sticks that last Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net is there a stick out there that you can recommend that last more than one night of training. I have tried to go easy but I get caught up in the drills and end up with shredded sticks. Bill M Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Sticks that last To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:28:46 -0700 (PDT) From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net For a rattan stick that lasts, I have been using one from Lionheart for a few years now. It is thinner than I normally like, but it is especially hard and seems to last forever. I think they termed it Labsico. Tuhon Bill may recall more. Stay with rattan if you can. Much better than having to go with a plastic stick. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 11 To: Cc: Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 07:39:20 -0700 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Gat Puno Abon and the Manila Boys Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net First of all, I am coming out of the closet to say, although my family has roots in Pangasinan, I was a Manila boy, born and raised. (But I was a Manila boy who liked the martial arts including FMA.) The Filipino "colonial mentality" was alive when I was growing up in the Phil. in the 60's, the Manila poster has confirmed it is alive and well right now, and it will probably be around for generations to come. Colonial mentality means anything coming from another country especially the U.S. was cool, hip and to be desired. On the flip side, anything from the Philippines was pedestrian, low-brow ("bakya"), uncool, unhip, geeky ("baduy"), and to be avoided at all costs. So logically, the more the local arnis grandmasters promote their art in the Philippines, the more the Manila boys will steer clear of it. But if Steven Seagal with Ben Affleck or Matt Damon (throw in Cameron Diaz or Nicole Kidman, let your imagination run wild) were to give a demo in Luneta in an arnis chaleco (vest), swing his double sticks in even just one sinawali pattern and proclaim that arnis is the deadliest, coolest style in the world, there would a stampede for arnis lessons (not to mention a run on arnis chalecos, but they would have to be Stateside). Anyway, I applaud and encourage Gat Puno Abon on his upcoming Manila demonstration. You were so candid about facing your fears. You probably would rather face several armed opponents than try to pound some sense into those Manila boys. If anybody with the right mix of credibility and appeal can do it, it's probably somebody like you. Just remember, it's all in the packaging. And it wouldn't hurt to bring Ben Affleck or Cameron Diaz with you. Jay de Leon www.filipinofightingarts.tripod.com --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: 1 Jul 2002 13:41:34 -0700 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] FMA in PI. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings. >>And Tuhon Gaje, KNOWING HOW WE FILIPINOS THINK, sent one of his American students (I think Guro Tim Waid) with the same curriculum but this time bandying it about as "the latest American military knife-to-knife and hand to hand combat techniques" or something. As my friend who told me this anecdote says, "The AFP officers thought it was the COOLEST thing ever invented since sliced bread and didn't seem to notice that during the training it was Tuhon Gaje who was doing MOST of the training and the American guy was just playing assistant".>> If this is how it happened, why not? Tuhon Gaje knew how to get in the door. Once in, he showed them why it was so effective. He is also head of the system, so of course he would lead and Guro Waid would assist. Don't see anything wrong with that. It's interesting to note that in the T.V. show called "Game Plan" from the Philippines, they did a whole segment on Pekiti-Tirsia Kali and Tuhon Gaje as the head of the system. Most of the footage it featured was working with the Philippine Special Forces. Tuhon Gaje and Guro Waid are both on that segment explaining it as Pekiti-Tirsia Kali, a Filipino fighting art. Also, on "Good Morning Asia" Guro Waid and Maj. Natalio Ecarma III, Battalion Commander are referring to the training as Kali, not "the latest American Military Knife etc...". Both do point out that FMA are not real popular with the majority of Filipinos. But, Major Ecarma points out that it is highly effective (why they are training in it) and that it should be re-introduced and studied by the Filipino people. William Schultz PCMA/MCAC/PTTG --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:48:29 -0700 (PDT) To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] seminar ads, etc. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Kristine Strasburger here. I just wanted to voice the opinion that I like being able to hear of upcoming seminars and events. I am always on the lookout for anything that I might be able to attend, and really, the eskrima digest is my only source for that info. I like to hear about what is being covered in the seminars (briefly). For me this information is useful, and I would like to see it encouraged. Why shouldn't anyone who is hosting or teaching something that is eskrima related be able to let the rest of us know about it? Not everyone likes to write on the digest forum, but we are all interested in eskrima, and anything that promotes eskrima ought to be welcomed here. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses. Let's not penalize those who prefer not to post on the digest regularly or even semi-regularly; they may be doing us all a favor (that's supposed to be a joke). Also, I like the privacy that the current heading gives, but it really would be nice if people would introduce themselves at the start of their post. It often makes what they have to say more meaningful to the readers. On that note I'd like to wish everyone in the USA a happy and safe Independence Day. Let's not forget the heart and passion for freedom that is the reason we celebrate this day. Take care. Kristine Strasburger Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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