Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 20:20:30 -0500 Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #237 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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From Tuhon Bill (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang), eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 07:35:26 -0700 (PDT) From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Stay yellow on the 4th Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Attached is an old post from 7+ years ago. With the news coverage on the possibility of another terror attack on or near the July 4th holiday, please remember that condition yellow is a great place to be. Ray ====================================================================== Forwarded message: From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 16:30:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: Refined FMA > ENVIROMENTAL AWARENESS > These folks are keenly aware of their surroundings and the behavior of > people around them. Their senses are fine-tuned to pick up slight changes in > the environment. They don't take the environment for granted. For example, > you might be sitting around the tendahan having a San Miguel or two and you'll > notice that they check out the scene very quickly when they walk in to see > what's up, choose a strategic seat, and almost unconsciously check out every > person that walks in the door. Just second nature and relaxed about it all. Great stuff in all the three posts from Jon, via the Woodpecker. I especially appreciate the above. Many of the tactical firearms trainers would term this 'condition yellow'. In condition white you're daydreaming, thinking about work, thinking about the argument with the wife this morning, whatever. You don't notice your environment very much. In condition yellow you are aware of those in front of you, those to the side and back, you notice the clouds in the sky and the birds singing. In general you just notice the things going on around you. Condition yellow is a great place to 'live' as you're noticing the beauty of creation and everything and everybody around you. The other condition colors will vary slightly depending on the source, but condition orange is when you think -something- is wrong. You're now on the lookout for something to go wrong, at ANY time. In condition red something -is- wrong. You are starting to activate your tactical training, getting your weapons ready for use, taking cover, starting to get out of the area, dialing 911, whatever. In condition black the feces has hit the oscillator and a life, usually your life, is in danger. This is when you begin to employ deadly force to save your life or the life of another. Condition yellow is a great place to live... Ray Terry --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:58:52 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Suro Inay Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, Someone wanted to know about Suro Mike Inay's family tree; I asked him in Chicago years ago, and I am pretty sure he told me his family was from Bohol. I may be wrong here, because it was a long time ago, and my memory isn't what it once was. Ray, Rob, Steve, how far off am I? One thing I do vividly remember was that Suro Mike told us his grandfather was a famed Eskrimador in the Philippines, and practiced a three stick style, which Mike demonstrated a bit for us...interesting stuff. That was my first meeting with Suro Mike, and to this day I am still in awe of his skill, his warrior spirit, and how personable and approachable he was. I have met many, many self-proclaimed "masters" over my 29 years in the arts, but when you meet a true warrior, the aura is unmistakable. Suro Mike most definitely had this, which kinda threw you a bit, because off the floor, he was a soft-spoken man, extremely pleasant and down-to-earth, and took great joy just sitting around shooting the breeze with us. Then, when he got on the floor and turned it on, it was shocking, because then you realized the depth of his knowledge and skill, and it would truly humble you. Sorry to use such an overworked phrase, but Suro Mike was truly one of a kind. Kim Satterfield --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:28:52 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Padded Sticks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Selamat Padded sticks in use. Great Padded sticks that is just about unbreakeable. It would bent rather then brake We did quit a research in the combative Tongkat Class Banging. Let us know the length and we make them to suit your needs We do manufacture these implements of fun Call us (562) 920-0472 VDT Academy Pak Vic In a message dated 7/2/2002 6:16:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net writes: << Message: 2 To: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:32:05 -0700 Organization: Arnis Balite From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Padded Sticks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Looking for someone that sales Padded sticks for use in a tournament next July 2003. Will need quite a few. Anyone have a recommendation? --__--__-- Message: 4 To: Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:22:16 -0700 Organization: Simple Solutions From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] training batons Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings, It is important to realize that most American hardwoods (oak, maple, walnut, and the like) are totally unsuitable, and dangerous, to use as training batons. This is because they break with little or no warning, and due to their grain structure the broken pieces have jagged points when they fly off. One of rattan's great virtues as a training baton is its failure mode is to shred and collapse on itself without sending shards all over the place. Tom Meadows --__--__-- Message: 5 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 16:49:48 +0000 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Rattan, hardwood sources Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Recent discussions about rattan and hardwood sticks prompted me to write a Training Resources page for my students. (The caning supply store listed below is also a good place to order rattan poles for tapado - also called "ananangkil" in Momoy's system.) For rattan sticks: http://www.caning.com/catalog.html They are used to selling cane to martial artists. You can buy them in two 9 foot lengths and have them cut them in six 36" lengths for shipping. This way you'll have three pairs of sticks - cut to desired length depending on what style you practice. You can also specify the diameter. Keep in mind that the bottom "pair" will be slightly thicker than the top pair. For ananangkil, you would purchase a 54" length of 1 1/2" diameter cane. Order two, so you can train with a partner. A good source for a wooden training dagger (although slightly thicker than one I would like) is the following: http://www.eemaworld.com/proshop.htm For the spear or staff I recommend buying six to eight foot lengths of 1 1/4" hickory dowel. I use the following: http://www.midwestdowel.com You can also but shorter lengths of hickory or maple for harwood sticks; the weight of the stick will vary according to what thickness you specify. Somewhere on the web there is an article about the relative hardness of hardwoods. I believe that the Philippine hardwoods (ebony, etc.) are harder than maple, hickory, etc. Regards, Steve Lamade San Miguel Eskrima _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: 2 Jul 2002 11:06:08 -0700 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Training in Rhode Island Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings. I recently lost my job at a company I had been managing for the past seven years. The new owners came in and axed the senior management two weeks after they took over (even though they said there would be no changes for at least three months). So, I've been playing Mr. Mom for the last couple of months (and loving the time with my kids). I understand completely Tuhon Bill. I have an great opportunity which became available in Rhode Island and will be relocating in the next 4-6 weeks (if all goes well). If there is anyone on the list who is located in R.I. who would like instruction or a good training partner, please let me know. My e-mail address will be active for a few more weeks so If anyone has any info on training in that area, please pass it on. Thank you in advance. William Schultz PCMA/MCAC/PTTG wshpunyo@spiritone.com BTW, if interested, my background info is listed in the FMA Database for Oregon. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 14:15:52 -0400 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Lionheart Sticks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > For a rattan stick that lasts, > I have been using one from Lionheart > for a few years now. Is Lionheart still in/back in business? I tried contacting Guro Sachetti and Lionheart last year with no success. Got contact info? Thanks. Mitakuye Oyasin. Be well, Mik __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:57:16 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Buno Book distribution in Manila Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > It would be nice to finally read your book about Buno > once it comes out in the press. Please make sure it > gets distributed here in Manila. I wish to distribute the "Harimaw Buno" there in PI. Its so hard to find someone that you can trust to take care of this distribution. As soon as I figure it out how I can distribute the book, I will let everyone know where about. I am planning to bring some of my senior students over there in Manila to take part in the Garimot demonstration team. I am hoping I could persuade the native Mangyan to help me demonstrate their native arts of Filipino Wrestling. Also I would like to give a seminar to those interested to take part in promoting the Harimaw Buno in the Philippines, especially in Manila. Maybe there's an opportunity to create a national association to promote Harimaw Buno to the younger generation. I am hoping the government will help me to fulfill my dream to revive the Harimaw Buno to the heart of every Filipino, young and old. Thank you for your advice, Gumagalang (With Respect), Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:48:02 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Padded Sticks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net As far as padded sticks go I don't think that you can beat action-flex, however they are $$$/ Roy Parker --__--__-- Message: 10 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima Digest) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 21:55:48 +0000 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Cold Steel knife videos? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello, Has anyone checked out the new Cold Steel knife videos? http://www.coldsteel.com/index-b.html and click on "Warrior's Edge" video collection. I'm looking for a set of videos that spends more time on strategy and move from out of range into knife range instead of the usual body cuts, disarms and drills. The former is rarely covered in videos, probably because is not visually appealing off-hand. This set seems to cover the kind of stuff I'm looking for. Please let me know your opinions. Thanks !! --__--__-- Message: 11 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: 02 Jul 2002 18:00:19 -0600 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Manila Boys Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net PI Guys, Noticed some odd behaviors in the past towards FMA by Stateside Pinoys. Here in the mainland, lots of Pinoys before in the 70's, 80's. 90's and even present time treat it as another culture/folk type of activity. Even parents treat it as something they would like their kids to learn. In the past, I experienced negative responses from the Philippine community in the Chicagoland Area and some positive. I think some Filipinos in America have a certain disdain for Arnis. The same art that helped oust and defend the motherland from outsiders has gotten no respect in some circles in the Chicagoland Filipino Community. It has been well-respected in the Museums, Educational facilities, Park Districts, Theatre, City Hall, and even night clubs in the short history (22 yrs) of our group's existence doing demos/classes/seminars/presentations/etc... The label "bakya crowd" comes to mind. "Bakya crowd" are those who like local Filipino talent as in movie stars/radio starts/comics or whatever medium. There exist a low-middle class/middle & upper classes in the Philippines that prefer foreign taste or anything "blue seal" (imported from the West). So any local brand in some "higher up" circles treat that as second class. These are repercussions from that old "Illustrado" class created by the Spanish regime. The "bourgeois" mentality prevails bigtime on both mainland and PI. Colonial mentality. High-class taste, therefore, a local art is not as good as a foreign art especially if that art comes from a powerful nation like US or Japan. In defense of Gat Puno Abon Baet, his art is genuine and effective and has alot of tradition behind it. What GM Presas did was good for the many types of Martial Artists. IMHO he made it easier to learn and standardized it so the Karate/TKD/KungFu practitioners can pick it up, identify with it, plus the ranking system made it an easy transition for most folks. Kudos to his organizational skills. But this approach might've turned off many Pinoys and non-Pinoys alike and some Martial Artists. You combine the belts, camisa de chinos, stances, etc... Then it is easier to make the assumption that it is "badoy" or "bakya crowd" material. At times, quality might've been compromise. This might be the case also with some existing systems. Some systems on the internet now, and some published material out there can be attractive. Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com --__--__-- Message: 12 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Cold Steel knife videos? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:16:42 -0700 (PDT) From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Has anyone checked out the new Cold Steel knife > videos? http://www.coldsteel.com/index-b.html > and click on "Warrior's Edge" video collection. > I'm looking for a set of videos that spends > more time on strategy and move from out of > range into knife range instead of the usual > body cuts, disarms and drills. I'm not familar with the former. That aside I'd rather train on moving from in knife range to out of knife range, while staying alive. But an older set of videos that dealt with good basic knife stuff was Ernie Franco's Defensive Edge. Not sure if it is still available tho. I seem to recall hearing that Ernie is no longer with us. Do I recall that correctly? Hopefully not... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 13 To: Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 19:25:56 -0700 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] From Tuhon Bill Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net My last post didn't include my signature line with my contact info (my last email program would insert it automatically. It seems that under the newest version I have to do it manually). Here it is if anyone would like to contact me. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath Email: tuhonbill@pekiti-tirsia.com PTI website: http://www.pekiti-tirsia.com/ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest