Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 03:22:30 -0500 Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #242 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. List-Unsubscribe: Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: Send Eskrima mailing list submissions to eskrima@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Eskrima digest..." <<-------- The Inayan/Eskrima/Kali/Arnis/FMA mailing list -------->> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: seminar note taking (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 2. Re: Seminar note taking (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 3. Box/Payong Sumbrada (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 4. RE: seminar note taking (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 5. How did that go? (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 20:40:20 -0500 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] seminar note taking To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net << Video of myself is the only note-taking I've ever had any success with. Mike >> Oops ... I forgot to sign this one fully (and there are a lot of Mike's here :-) This is Mike Casto ... take care, all. --__--__-- Message: 2 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 14:14:37 +0000 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Seminar note taking Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I think it depends on who the instructor is. When it comes to someone like Sifu Dan who coversquite a bit of material, I usually go with a legal notepad with predesignated areas if I know a little as to what the seminar will cover. When he was up in Stockton last time, it was primarily silat and FMA, so I had areas designated for single, double stick, dagger, silat, etc. etc. When it comes to double stick, I have a grid, one for each person with 2 columns for left and right hand. Initially, I determine if the starting position is open or closed or some variant thereof. Then it is easy to fill out the grid. I find that this works well with someone like Cacoy who teaches some double stick with some asymmetrical movements. For people who I have absolutely no familiarity with, I still try to find out a little about the system and and go with some predesignated areas with some type of headings e.g. single stick defensive, single stick offensive, numbering system, flow drills etc. It's also nice to have someone who knows what they are doing go to the seminar with you to go over stuff. I also have terms which I understand which I can short cut (such as Inosanto uppercut, I know that means an uppercut under someone's line of attack). Taking notes for wrestling is a challenge for me. I usually start by determining what the starting position is (Defender in spider guard etc.) and usually try to get into the maneuvers to get to the next position or submission. Any thoughts on how to take notes on the wrestling is appreciated. It is definitely easier to take notes with someone with a set curriculum. Trick is to figure out what their curriculum is in advance and find out steps to short cut. Hope that helps a little. Dave Huang _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 10:35:39 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Box/Payong Sumbrada Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Doug, Is my pleasure to shared my knowledge in a certain topics. Like you do I am also learning many things from this discussion. That why we still here, despite of so many opinion, or differences. In regards of the box that you are referring about. The reason why I ask, I heard so may explanation of the "Box". To our system the Garimot, Box is totally different topics to what you are referring to. To us the box is the body box, that you can apply a point of control, or you can stop any type of attack or on coming attack, just to control one corner of the box. To Garimot system, "Box" is the theory that we used to Largo Mano range, corto range to Grappling range. We used this theory to control and finish the fight or stop the agrression of your opponents, by applying pressure to one part of the Box. wether is way of attacking, pulling, pushing, twisting and more. We used the same theory from Arnis to Harimaw Buno also in Hilot healing arts. This is considered the Soul of the Garimot System, without this theory, or if you dont know this theory, you know there will be no system called "Garimot". To your explanation, seems to me your box is the same theory of the "Fourwall Bocks" that the Sayoc Kali used, and Pekiti Tirsia, and Modern Arnis Double Block system type of block. Its totally used to close in to the opponent corto range, or mid range, to take advantage of the extended arm then counter attack are followed. This is very good techniques simple and direct to stop even the most powerful blow that they can give to you, inside your danger zone, or target zone. Sample of Techniques is goes like this: Opponent execute over head attack, defender, As you step inside/outside female or male triangle footwork and then apply the entercepting block and the same time reach the weapon hand of your opponent and grab and pull and then execute your counter blow the common techniques used to this style. From there you can do your disarm, or your finishing techniques or controls. Good luck, keep training hards. Gumagalang with respect, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA > > The box I was referring to in my description relates to the blocking > methods used i.e. defending the head, left and right sides, and the low > line (similar to four corner blocking in some Chinese arts). I also > relate it to keeping the blocks tight so as not to extend the arms or > the ribs more than necessary. Thanks once again for taking the time to --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 10:57:49 -0700 (PDT) To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] RE: seminar note taking (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey Mike, How often has the Instructor hosting the seminar allowed taping of the actual class? If any. Next to your idea of taping what you remember directly afterwards, which is the best choice. have you been allowed to take pix during the class? Sometimes this helps jog memories...but it does take away from actual work-out time. ....maybe taking them with a buddy during break, with some quick notes to go with each photo.... just an idea I plan on going to a Guro/Sifu Dan Inosanto Seminar this Oct. here in NJ.. I don't believe he allows video taping... thou I could be wrong. If anyone would like info. on this seminar check out www.pamausa.com than goto the seminar page. Thanks, Kevin TKD, Kenpo, & beginner Escrimador New! SBC Yahoo! Dial - 1st Month Free & unlimited access --__--__-- Message: 5 To: Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:26:15 -0700 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] How did that go? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: > When attending a seminar, what is the best way to remember the teachings? > Should written notes be taken during the seminar, or should a voice ativated > hand held tape recorder be used, or should notes be taken after the seminar, > if at all? > > Just wondering what people find to be the most effective to get the most out > of an intensive seminar in the long run. I am curious on what students find > to be the most beneficial, and what the instructors would like to see > participants do. I still struggle with this one. When possible, video is best. Do avoid backlighting, and remember that the camera's mike works best if it can SEE the lips of the speaker-- otherwise it can be hard to understand when you play it back. The voice recording seems like an interesting idea, I should play with this. As far as note taking, develop a good short hand. For example, in a manner similar to the terminology of Kabaroan, for me "forz-j" means "forehand horizontal jab" and "berto" would mean "backhand vertical redondo". Harking back to my legal days I use the shorthand for plaintiff and defendant to denominte each player (pie is plaintiff, a triangle is defendant). For foot positions "/----/ /---/" would be right lead facing left lead. (The right lead is the one on the left) Woof, Crafty Dog --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest