Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:32:41 -0500 Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #243 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Never Before Seen Dan Inosanto Footage (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 2. Re: seminar notes (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 3. RE: RE: seminar note taking (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 4. Seminar Note Taking (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 5. Yakal wood and where to buy sticks in Manila (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 6. Re: Seminar note taking (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 7. Notetaking (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 8. seminar note taking (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 9. note taking (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 10. High kicks vs. low kicks & palm strikes vs. fist strikes (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 11. re: seminar note taking (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 18:11:13 -0400 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Never Before Seen Dan Inosanto Footage Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I have been away for a week but I figured someone would have mentioned the new Bruce Lee documentary that recently played on AMC. For those who saw the original commercial release of Game of Death, it showed Dan only doing nunchaku. This new edition shows Dan with sticks. The following is from AMC's website. Although I don't have it, I have seen the DVD version at Circuit City. BTW, IMO Dan's segment is the best of the three segments. BRUCE LEE: A WARRIOR'S JOURNEY (2002) Color, 120 min NEXT SHOWINGS: 10:30 PM / EST Friday, July 26 2002 3:00 AM Saturday, July 27 Check out this original AMC production that provides an in-depth look at Bruce Lee's personal and professional trials and triumphs as well as his revolutionary approach to martial arts. In addition, included, is never before seen footage that was believed to be lost from his last and unfinished film Game of Death, edited into its proper sequence according to Lee's original notes. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 18:38:04 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: seminar notes Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I've always found written notes to be very beneficial. Once you've established your own form of shorthand and references, it does become quicker and easier. Then when you return home, review the material on a video tape of the same subject. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 20:26:12 -0500 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] RE: seminar note taking (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net << How often has the Instructor hosting the seminar allowed taping of the actual class? >> In my experience, vid taping at seminars by anyone except the host is almost never allowed. And sometimes the host isn't allowed to video. The reason for this is (usually) that if everyone were allowed to film, then *everyone* would ... and there'd be no room to train because of all the video cameras :-) Seminar vids are almost never made publicly available because it's a pain to get permission from all the attendees to show their face on the vid. << Next to your idea of taping what you remember directly afterwards, which is the best choice. have you been allowed to take pix during the class? Sometimes this helps jog memories...but it does take away from actual work-out time. >> Still photos are almost always allowed. Each instructor feels differently about this, though. Personally, as a participant, I find it annoying when people take pix of the instructor while the instructor is working ... I'm trying to watch what the instructor is doing and flashes going off are, at best, distracting ... at worst, I get temporarily blinded. Taking pix with the instructor on breaks is almost always encouraged ... but be courteous ... let the instructor have a break too :-) << maybe taking them with a buddy during break, with some quick notes to go with each photo.... just an idea >> That sounds like a very plausible method. In fact, I would imagine that you could even video you and a friend on the breaks ... as long as the host and the instructor knew that that's *all* you were using the vid cam for (you'd have to clear that with the host and instructor first, of course). Though, on longer breaks, you could probably find some secluded area to do this. But, I would guess, that there'd never be a problem with still pix and accompanying notes (maybe instant pix with refs [to the more detailed notes] on the back of each pic would be good). But, ultimately, it's up to each instructor and, secondarily, to the host of the seminar. << I plan on going to a Guro/Sifu Dan Inosanto Seminar this Oct. here in NJ.. I don't believe he allows video taping... thou I could be wrong. If anyone would like info. on this seminar check out www.pamausa.com than goto the seminar page. >> Nope. Guro Dan doesn't allow any taping by attendees ... I'm not sure if he still allows the host to film or not. My suggestion for *any* seminar ... but *especially* a Guro Dan seminar is to not try to retain all the info. In fact, don't *try* to retain any of the info. Act like a wall in a bachelor's apartment ... some spaghetti will stick, some won't ... take what does :-) Take what notes you can ... but don't *try* to remember anything. You will, in the end, remember *more* this way because your body and mind will automatically gravitate toward particular items and they will automatically stick with you. If you *try* to remember stuff (especially if you try to remember all of it) you'll likely end up remembering less in the long run. Think of it like a tea party. Each person brings a tea cup. Some are empty (or have been emptied). Some aren't quite empty. Each is of a different size and shape based on that person's background. The instructor takes his teapot and walks around, pouring tea the whole time. Some tea gets in each person's cup and some ends up on the floor. If you try to get the tea from the floor too, you'll likely end up spilling your cup when you bend over :-) The phrase Guro Dan uses (which sparked my advice above) is, "it's like a fire hose. You can quench your thirst, but if you try to get all the water, you'll drown." Mike --__--__-- Message: 4 To: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 06:53:53 -0700 Organization: EDGES2, INC. From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Seminar Note Taking Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Dave Huang's Grid System and Guro Crafty's ideas about video are great for seminar note taking. I like to use a combination of both of their ideas for my notes. I will usually take notes during the seminar and then tape myself and a partner working the material during a break or after the day's training. The combination helps because the note taking makes sure you don't miss anything, and the video makes sure you don't get confused by your shorthand. This also works well because most instructors will not allow taping during a seminar. Another way to save time and effort is to have designated roles. Have your training partner responsible for the notes, and you can be responsible for the video, or vice versa. After returning from the seminar, I like to go through the footage and refine the notes and then break the material down further. If you have the equipment (which is becoming more common), you can capture your footage in the computer and create Video CD's or DVD's to take it a step further. After a couple of years of doing this, your notes should still be very usable and clear. Best wishes. Bob Burgee. EDGES2, INC. http://trainingblades.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 19:26:59 +0800 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Yakal wood and where to buy sticks in Manila Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello everyone, I am here in Manila but have no real time to travel around the area because my schedule is tight. Therefore, since my time is limited, do you guys know where would be a good place to buy some good quality sticks? My friend says kamagong is now prohibited to log because its endangered, well, I don't know, but it is harder to find now. My second question that I really want answered. At the store they were selling Yakal hardwood sticks. Anyone know anything about how good Yakal wood is for real arnis, kali or eskrima sparring durability. Its cheap, yeah, but I am also in to practicality not just price wise and aesthetic appeal. Thanks. Oops, one more question I really want to get answered. Its raining like crazy here. I think I may be able to go to the Luneta next Sunday. What is the alternate training places people pick if it rains, if any at all? Salamat, Erwin -Erwin --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 07:45:36 -0700 (PDT) To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Seminar note taking Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net If the instructor has written a lot of great notes on a chalk board, white board, etc and you don't want to fuss on rewriting them on paper try this. Bring a photo camera with you and center your camera on the whiteboard and make sure it fills the whole frame. The pictures I have taken are very clear and legible to read. Joe Marszalek ===== Web Admin for Martial Arts Koncepts -- http://www.MartialArtsKoncepts.com Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 12:05:09 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Notetaking Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net This is my first message to the digest. Although my son (jr.) has sent many. After speaking to Master Inay last weekend I thought that I would see what was on the digest. Specifically I have seen a lot of questions about notetaking and how to best remember what was given at seminars. I wish I could give an easy answer, but after sitting through many there are some basics. Whatever you write down take the time soon after coming home to review your notes. After looking at your notes write comments down about the notes you read because you will be suprised how many small things you will remember and did not write down. If you took a friend...within a week both of you should sit down and review the notes together, you would be suprised at how many new insights you can get from your friends perspective. And mostly regardles of the style or system the body is always attached the same and alghough a syle or system might attempt to do different things in different wasy to those limbs and trunk, the body remains the same...once that is understood all punches, kicks, grabs, are the same..just applied differently. Sincerely, Master Ron Saturno --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 14:23:03 -0400 Organization: Northwestern Michigan College Filipino Martial Arts Club To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] seminar note taking Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net As far back as 1976 Sifu Dan allowed video taking but soon stopped as some of the videos started being sold. Most seminar directors also don't allow video taking. But, that doesn't mean that on breacks you can't go outside and recap what was gone over. Sifu Dan covers soooo many things that cross relate, it is almost impossible to put them in order- because they cross relate so much. I don't know how many times I got home from a seminar and tried to translate what I" I " had written. Now i fall back on the video that I take afterwards or on breaks. It's much simpler to do what is fresh. Brian "Buzz" Smith Maharlika Kuntaw AMKA Northwestern Michigan College --__--__-- Message: 9 To: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:51:01 -0500 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] note taking Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Some instructors will even object to tape recorders because you may be taping the instructor. Video is the best way to take notes but not allowed. I have had success getting one or two more skilled participants than I, to get away someplace private during lunch or immediately after the seminar and put down their notes on video. We go through all our notes and between 2 or 3 people can recreate part of what went on in the seminar. Of course there are holes, but not as many as notes alone. I have then make video copies for the people helping me and sent them a copy. You are right two months later your notes mean nothing, although they do help in the short run. Gary H. --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 01:20:49 -0700 (PDT) To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] High kicks vs. low kicks & palm strikes vs. fist strikes Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I am not one to rule out any technique since there is probably a time and a place for every technique. However, I can't come up with a reason why one should kick higher than their own waist. Does anyone practice high kicks? If so, what are your applications? I used to think that it may be useful if you wanted to kick someone in the head. However, if I wanted to kick someone in the head, perhaps it would be easier to have him drop his head or fall to his knees so you wouldn't have to kick high....jus bring the target lower. Also, I favor palm strikes over fist strikes. I I can think of several bad scenarios for fist-striking: (1) hyper-extending wrists on upper-cuts, (2) getting knuckles slashed up when making teeth on knuckle contact if you punch the opponents mouth, (3) breaking knuckles or hand if you hook punch the opponents temples or any part of their skull. I have substituted most of my old fist-strikes for palm strikes (except for the hook punch, that one still feels weird with an open palm) and it feels comfortable. Anyone make this adjustment to their training? Or do most of you not have any problem with the 3 reasons I mentioned above? My questions above are just hypotheticals. I would not normally even consider kicking someone in the head or punching them in the mouth unless I somehow felt that my life depended on it. Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 11 To: 'eskrima digest' Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:21:09 +0100 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] re: seminar note taking Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I have a simple shorthand that has developed over time For instance, empty hand type seminars J jab C cross H hook RR right roundhouse IG inside gunting This allows for quick interpretation and I have a bookload of notes. I can still read Guro inosanto notes I made in 86 b4 this shorthand was developed. For stick/knife motion I refer to angles. Using a little l (lobtik) or w (witik) helps as well. at least get some sort of reference that can remind you l8r when you have time to expand. I have an audio recording which I treasure old guro I in 1990 but that was then not allowed. I find it better with the note taking though. Pat Davies --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest