Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:04:03 -0500 Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #244 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Eskrima digest (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 2. RE: seminar note taking (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 3. Re: 300 hour black belts (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 4. de Thouars Family Gathering 2002/ Miami, Florida, August 9 to 11, 2002 (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 5. Seminar note taking (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 6. Re: A Warrior's Journey (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 7. Re: Seminar Note Taking (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 8. Palms vs Fists, etc. (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 9. Note taking (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 10. Super Kicks (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 10:04:04 +0000 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Eskrima digest Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Everyone, Sorry for the delay in replying to earlier questions regarding Sayoc Kali affiliations. The Sayoc Kali organization, headed by Tuhon Christopher Sayoc, allows any individual Instructor or student to be aligned with any organization that they would like to be with. Many of us, are Instructors in other arts as well as Sayoc Kali, and continue to cross train with various organizations. All current Instructors (actively involved with the SKSTA) are listed on the Sayoc Kali website, but if there are any questions regarding the validity of any Instructor teaching Sayoc Kali, please contact Sayoc@sayoc.com. Gumagalang Guro Steve L. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:05:35 +0100 (BST) To: eskrima digest < eskrima@martialartsresource.net > From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] RE: seminar note taking Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi When it comes to taking notes on grappling (though I confess that I am more of a doer than a note-taker) I tend to use my own personalised vocabulary (which is the same one I use when I am teaching) - this is true for non-grappling stuff, but it is much easier to describe the striking stuff in words. I use predominantly judo terms, because they are so specific, together with a few BJJisms - kimura, various guards etc and then describe any variations. All in short hand. Then, ASAP reread it to check you remember what it means, read it and visualise it, go out and do it. Going through things again, a few hours later on the same day will really reinforce things. Obviously, having a friend or training partner to compare notes with is useful. Jon There's nothing more dangerous than a blunt knife! http://www.geocities.com/jonbroster -- Personalised email by http://another.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:11:31 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) To: From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: 300 hour black belts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net It's another reason to ditch the modern Japanese belt system entirely. You re as good as you are. Most of us practice in smallish groups, not huge anonymous hordes. The instructors can keep track of who is at what stage of development and make sure the students are getting the appropriate material and not doing anything that would be unsafe at their level of skill. We don't need the shortcut that Kano Sensei's belt system was designed to provide. Todd Ellner --__--__-- Message: 4 To: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:19:55 -0400 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] de Thouars Family Gathering 2002/ Miami, Florida, August 9 to 11, 2002 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net 8th Annual de Thouars Family Gathering 2002/ Miami, Florida, August 9 to 11, 2002 Featuring: BaPak Willem de Thouars - KunTao-Silat Sifu Janet Gee - Choy Li Fut Kung Fu Sifu Don Ethan Miller - Tai Chi Chuan Guru Andre KnustGraichen - Pencak Silat Sensei Stewart Lauper - Kuntao Silat Sensei Hans Ingebretsen - Kenpo Jiu-Jitsu Guru Steven Plinkc - Serak Silat Sifu Alexei Ovtchinnikov - Sambo/White Crane Sifu Tom Akers - San Soo Kung Fu Seminar location is Miami Killian Senior High School. Located at 10655 SW 97th Ave., Miami FL in the Athletics Gymnasium. This is a 30,000 square foot of wooden flooring with training mats if needed. Accommodations: Comfort Inn & Suites, adjacent to the Miami International Airport. . There will be FREE bus transportation provided from the Hotel to the Seminar Site. On Saturday, August 10, 2002, de Thouars family invites all of the attendees to a family dinner with a special ceremony and Martial Arts Demonstration. Registration: Saturday and Sunday (includes Saturday night family dinner) $275.00 Make checks or money order payable to: "KunTao Family", mail payment or call with credit card information to Elite Martial Arts Center. NO CREDIT CARDS AT THE DOOR REGISTRATION. Contacts: Elite Martial Arts Center Attn: Ginger Emery or Andy Mandelos 1730 S. Pinellas Ave. Tarpon Springs, Florida 34689 727-944-3836 Voice 727-934-15621 Fax kuntaofamily@yahoo.com Additional Information: Sifu Jose M. Moratalla 727-573-1388 work ,727-786-7264 home Sifu Steven Tarrago 305-382-9466 home 786-402-4547 cell --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 16:46:07 -0230 To: From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Seminar note taking Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Forgot to sign my original post asking for reccomendations on note taking at seminars, sorry! Forgot the new format. I'd like to take credit for suggesting the hand held voice tape recorder Crafty Dog, but I got the idea from Rob Doley. Don't know where he got it from. He recorded a few points after being shown a movement, which would no doubt help to make more complete notes at the end of the day. I imagine you could record many 'trigger' words, which will enable pretty comprehensive transcribing. Couple that with the suggestion of taping the movements with a friend sometime later and it would seem you might have a fairly accurate history of events. Paul Woodruff > When attending a seminar, what is the best way to remember the teachings? > Should written notes be taken during the seminar, or should a voice ativated > hand held tape recorder be used, or should notes be taken after the seminar, > if at all? > > Just wondering what people find to be the most effective to get the most out > of an intensive seminar in the long run. I am curious on what students find > to be the most beneficial, and what the instructors would like to see > participants do. --__--__-- Message: 6 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 13:56:08 -0700 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: A Warrior's Journey Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >I have been away for a week but I figured someone would have mentioned the >new Bruce Lee documentary that recently played on AMC. For those who saw >the >original commercial release of Game of Death, it showed Dan only doing >nunchaku. This new edition shows Dan with sticks. The following is from >AMC's website. Although I don't have it, I have seen the DVD version at >Circuit City. BTW, IMO Dan's segment is the best of the three segments. I also very much liked the segment with Hapkido Grandmaster (and my Hapkido instructor) JI Han-jae. For me it was the better portion. It mentioned that Grandmaster Ji was a 7th Dan at the time of the filming, but he had actually been promoted to 8th Dan in 1968. He was the last level before getting to Kareem. For those that know Ji, he looks a bit strange as you never see him without his trademark glasses... GREAT footage not seen in the final cut of the movie. Ray _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 14:49:25 -0700 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Seminar Note Taking Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I just take my PC to the seminar and type as fast as I can. I can go about 100 wpm. After the seminar I get a coupld of buddies and a camcorder and run through the material. Then we all compare notes and I edit them for form and content. The tape and notes that emerge are not as good as an actual seminar tape, but they are helpful. One downside to this method is that one time some bystanders got very suspicious when they saw four or five guys heading into a hotel room with video equipment. Heh, we had a good laugh over that one. Haven't they ever heard of 'safe silat'? Regards, Terry Tippie Pacifica, CA USA P.S.: After a delay Ajarn Chai's web page is now back online at http://www.thaiboxing.com Indeed, twins are a lot of work. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 18:04:02 -0400 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Palms vs Fists, etc. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ola, A guide that I've observed for years: "Hard Target/Soft Weapon, Soft Target/Hard Weapon." Use a hard weapon on a hard target (fist to head) may damage the weapon and have less than the desired effect. Use a soft weapon on a soft target, may have less than the desired effect. Inefficient use of force. The palms evolved for contact just like the soles of the feet. Your hook can be replaced by a "smash". Practice makes perfect. In Shaolin we hooked with the knuckle of the index finger, extending the wrist. Open the hand to turn it into a smash ... miss and you have an easily-following elbow strike. Accustomed to punching, open hand "stuff" may feel less effective. Consider, however, that it may be possible to safely use greater force with the open hand than with the fist for reasons that you've already mentioned: wrist (in)stability (won't have on hand wraps in the ticket line willya?), and fragile structure of the knuckles vis-a-vis impact (even boxers wearing gloves get hand fractures). Combat-orientation suggests low kicks forever. They are more easily repeatable, easier to follow up with other types of striking and grappling /throwing attacks, etc. In Shaolin we practiced higher kicks as "finishers". They may be useful at other times, but they leave us more vulnerable while not necessarily providing a greater return for our efforts than low kicks. Low kicks are easy to conceal, difficult to evade, and easily progress into sweeps, reaps, etc. with less compromise of balance. General idea was to prefer open-hand strikes and low kicks to finish fights most quickly. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 18:59:34 -0400 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Note taking Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi All, When it comes to taking notes in class, I don't. I just try to get in as many reps as possible and do my best to write down what I can remember. A friend once told me "learn a little, forget a lot and after a while, you'll know a lot". As a rule, I never let my students copy my notes. The effort it takes to copy down information helps to add value to the lesson. Beyond that, it forces them to understand the techniques better when they have to explain them to themselves. Before you can teach anyone, you have to know how to teach yourself. A helpful note-taking hint I'd like to share is my theory of opposites. Basically, opposites can be used to describe any hand/foot/body positions. They are: Up/down, left/right, inside/outside, high/low, etc. This simplifies things immensely. It also really helps to have your notes describe techniques on only one side of your body. If you read your notes years later, this can help you to make sense of what you wrote. Just sharing... -Steve Kohn --__--__-- Message: 10 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:23:49 -0700 (PDT) From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Super Kicks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sorry for the delay. Finally got the story on the Super Kicks affiliation, not that it is really that big of a deal... The affiliation is with Mike Sayoc's Kali, not Chris Sayoc's Kali. Sorry I confused the two. Ray Terry --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest