Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 03:27:22 -0500 Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #252 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Yaw-Yan (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 2. RE: Internal arts in the Philippines (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 3. Re: Eskrima/Arnis in Northern Luzon (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 4. Re: Danny Guba GM + (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 5. Re: Re: Danny Guba GM + (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 6. Re: RE: Internal arts in the Philippines (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 7. Re: Bersilat (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) 8. Chronic Quandry (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: "'eskrima@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:51:37 +0100 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Yaw-Yan Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Rj, I enjoyed your account and while I too really like Muay Thai I was disappointed when I saw it reported in a Muay Thai magazine that the Manilla Police Force had started training in Muay Thai. And the tattoo significance of the Yaw Yan that Erwin mentioned? Pat Davies --__--__-- Message: 2 To: "'eskrima@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:43:24 -0500 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Internal arts in the Philippines Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello All, I will be visiting my homeland(next year), The Philippines since 1985 and hungry for a lot of things. Of course, martial arts is one of it. I have trained and dabbled a little bit with a hybird of Kali-Arnis here in Chicago (cerrada, pekiti tersia, and even Garimot style), and some JKD. Recently (in the last 6 years) I have been training more in Chi Kung and Tai Chi mainly due to my diabetes and now have been hooked for its martial prowess as well. Its been benefitting me to alleviate my diabetic symptoms and general health maintenance. I have been practicing a combination (almost everyday twice a day) of Chi Kung, Zhan Zhuang (standing still meditations) and Tai Chi Chi Kung. Now I can circulate my chi throughout my body at will or localize it and gradually shifting into a more martial practice. I am really interested in assimilating these CHI meditations with my Filipino background of Kali. My question is this: IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE WHO CAN HELP ME FIND AN INTERNAL CHINESE, FILIPINO, INDONESIAN MASTER IN MANILA? I know that the roots of the Filipino Kali and her sister arts in Silat also delve into the internal arts. I am mainly interested in the INTERNAL development and training. I know that the Villabrille also kind of deal with some of that aspect and I am not surprised if there is a Filipino system that is more internal art than others. ANYONE? Thank you very much, Eli Silva --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:23:10 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Eskrima/Arnis in Northern Luzon Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I too am looking for instructors in northern luzon (Baguio City area). I visit there and have yet to find anyone locally who can help me Roy Parker --__--__-- Message: 4 To: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:35:41 +0100 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Danny Guba GM + Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Pat, >Sorry Bill, im not in the DP fold but I was under the impression there was quite a lively organisation. I know a couple of black belts and intend to host one instructor in the near future, so I'm a bit surprised that there is to be what I presume might be reference to a new organisation. What was the problem that you refer to?< According to Danny, the BEF is defunct, so he is pushing both Doce Pares (GB) and the Danny Guba Association. The problem was simply poor management, aligned with a school gang mentality. If you weren't one of the "gang" (and I'm not alone in that group, people who have not upset the "management" by refusing to play thier games are also ignored) you simply didn't get to hear about events, seminars, tournaments. Whilst my club was affliated with the BEF there should have been three elections for the council which oversaw all aspects of the organisations activities. IF they happened, I know of no-one who was told the results. The council consisted of Andy Gibney, Gibneys girlfriend, Gibneys friends, Gibneys friends wives etc This was the original line up, and thats how it stayed. It became clear that the organisation, and Danny, was being used to push individuals MA careers, not to help promote the FMA or DP in particular. Thats one of the reasons Danny distanced himself from the BEF. Any more question on the subject will be answered via private email. Bill --__--__-- Message: 5 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Danny Guba GM + To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:14:26 -0700 (PDT) From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > According to Danny, the BEF is defunct, so he is pushing both Doce Pares > (GB) and the Danny Guba Association. > > The problem was simply poor management, aligned with a school gang > mentality. If you weren't one of the "gang" (and I'm not alone in that > group, people who have not upset the "management" by refusing to play thier > games are also ignored) you simply didn't get to hear about events, > seminars, tournaments. Or could it be politics. If Danny is with Diony's Doce Pares International and others are with Cacoy's Doce Pares Federation, then I suspect politics might be coming into play. Diony is no doubt a very fine person, but how he could claim to be the head of Doce Pares when Cacoy is still VERY alive and active is just beyond belief, IMHO. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 19:23:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] RE: Internal arts in the Philippines From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net This brings up an interesting question about internal arts and native Filipino arts. One of the things that peaked my interest in this is when a buddy of mine came back from training with GM Gaje in RP, he mentioned that GM Gaje had showed him several breathing techniques and was studying metaphysics from some individual there. This surprised me, especially because it seemed to contradict some of the stories I had heard from Tuhon McGrath, Omar Hakim, and Tim Waid. Maybe I'm just too Western and separate the two in my mind. Anyone have any thoughts on interal practices (either medication or chi gung) in the FMAs? Andy On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:43:24 -0500 eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net writes: > Hello All, > > I will be visiting my homeland(next year), The Philippines since > 1985 and > hungry for a lot of things. Of course, martial arts is one of it. > I have > trained and dabbled a little bit with a hybird of Kali-Arnis here in > Chicago > (cerrada, pekiti tersia, and even Garimot style), and some JKD. > Recently > (in the last 6 years) I have been training more in Chi Kung and Tai > Chi > mainly due to my diabetes and now have been hooked for its martial > prowess > as well. > > Its been benefitting me to alleviate my diabetic symptoms and > general health > maintenance. I have been practicing a combination (almost everyday > twice a > day) of Chi Kung, Zhan Zhuang (standing still meditations) and Tai > Chi Chi > Kung. Now I can circulate my chi throughout my body at will or > localize it > and gradually shifting into a more martial practice. I am really > interested > in assimilating these CHI meditations with my Filipino background of > Kali. > > My question is this: IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE WHO CAN HELP ME FIND > AN > INTERNAL CHINESE, FILIPINO, INDONESIAN MASTER IN MANILA? I know > that the > roots of the Filipino Kali and her sister arts in Silat also delve > into the > internal arts. I am mainly interested in the INTERNAL development > and > training. I know that the Villabrille also kind of deal with some > of that > aspect and I am not surprised if there is a Filipino system that is > more > internal art than others. ANYONE? > > Thank you very much, > Eli Silva > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 7 To: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:07:16 +0800 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Bersilat Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Pencak Silat = noun. Bersilat =verb e.g. silat-ing...:-) S. H. Wee > Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:58:11 EDT > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] What Inosanto teaches > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Jon, > > Guru Dan refers to his Malaysian Silat as "Bersilat". I'm not sure of the > names of any sub-systems. > > -Steve Kohn --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:20:11 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Chronic Quandry Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I've been on the road and so haven't been able to jump in about including "reply to" email addresses in posts as well as several related tangents. Please bear with me as I do a little wandering. First, I'd like to invite everyone who values this digest to drop Ray Terry a line telling him so. Moderating a forum such as this can be an often times thankless task: someone will always feel their ox has been gored, others will be ever so perplexed if consistency isn't enforced to the sixth decimal point, while sundry mutants and fools will show up with absurd expectations and froth endlessly when they aren't met. If moderating ED was some sort of paid position then contending with all the above would be part of the job description. Alas, I doubt Ray makes dime one for his ED efforts and I assume he eats a fair amount of overhead keeping the list hosted and his software current. In short, those who enjoy this list should thank Ray for dealing with the associated slings and arrows, and make a habit of doing so. There is a kind of sling and type of arrow, however, that most list members are probably unacquainted with. Back when I was young, stupid, and going to save the world, I volunteered to work a telephone hotline. The most eye opening aspect of the experience wasn't the suicide calls, drug rescues, or mental meltdowns, though. Rather, the aspect of hotline work that most surprised me involved people whose lives were so empty that they filled them with anonymous, unpleasant interactions with dewy eyed idealists like the one I use to be. "Chronic Callers," we named them, or "Chronics" for short. There were two major types of Chronics. The first were fellows who would grope their crotches while trying to determine what color undies the female hotline workers were wearing. Though annoying, these gents weren't particularly malevolent; it amuses me greatly that the entire 900 number phone industry arose, so to speak, to sate their oninistic urges. No one I'm aware of has found a way to turn a profit on the second type of Chronic, though. These nasty pieces of work lead empty and impotent lives, filling that void by inventing elaborate fictional personalities. If these folks were capable of pleasant interactions with other people they wouldn't need to pester hotlines. Incapable of pleasant interactions, they opt instead to fill their empty existence with various types of ugly exchanges. Their techniques are too numerous to list in total, and I'm not much inclined help them hone their pathology by detailing what I know of their methods. Suffice to say these yo-yos lurk in the background collecting what information they can. Once they have the lay of the land they invent a persona or three and address their impotence by proving what a pest they can be. With the advent of the internet these pathetic little weasels found a new audience for their nasty games. I know Ray has had to deal with at least one of these sniveling geeks, and there is a good chance he's had to contend with others, too. I know from experience that contending with Chronics exacts a personal toll--they are a major reason I'm a former dewy-eyed idealist--and expect Ray has had to pay a price on other fronts also. Despite this sort of noise and confusion the ED keep arriving, delivering an amazing amount of valuable content without much fanfare. Those who appreciate this digest should make sure the next time Ray has to deal with some fool, he does so armed with our collective thanks. As to the question of including "reply to" information in our posts, my vote is to include it. I'm not much inclined to reward a zealot cowering in a Pakistani cave for his terror attacks by bending to his will, nor am I inclined to reward some gutless clown for the trouble he causes with exactly the sort of disruption his anonymous impotence seeks. If posting my email address becomes too big of a problem I'll start using one of my throw away addresses. And if occasionally I have to remind the legal department and police department of the institution I work at that the first amendment to the Constitution gives me the right to tell silly little turds to hop back in the toilet, well that's not much of a price to pay to participate in a digest as fine as this. Regards, Buz Grover --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest