Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:41:18 -0500 Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #273 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Sender: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Component arts in Kajukenbo and FMA in Hollywood (eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 13:05:27 +0000 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Kajukenbo and Filipino martial arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Re. the Kajukenbo/FMA connection: "All of his life Emperado has studied various martial arts. In his 30s he expanded his knowledge of escrima by training with his step father Alfredo Peralta. Peralta taught him a method using the single stick. Emperado described how they would take 2x4s and taper down handles and then train with them. He said that "after a workout with the 2x4 you could make a rattan stick go like lighting"." (From John Bishop's Kajukenbo page: http://www.interactivesmack.com/kajukenbo/sijo.html) Not surprising considering Sijo's Filipino/Hawaiian heritage. Best, Steve Lamade San Miguel Eskrima _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:54:02 -0400 To: From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re:FMA in Kajukenbo Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Not to belabor the point, but there has always been a lot of FMA in Kajukenbo. Most of the early practitioners were Hawaiian/Filipino and the FMA had a lot of influence on both the technical development of Kajukenbo as well as the practical applications of those techniques. Sijo Emperado tells of his early FMA training under a Maestre Peralta. GM Joe Habuna (Of Kajukenbo) was introduced to Joe Emperado (Sijo's brother and Chief Instructor of Kajukenbo in 1950's) by Lucky Lucay Lucay. As the art was passed down through the generations, certain methods were kept hidden or lost but the essential nature of their intent was always evident to anyone who would care to see. I know and respect GM Emil Bautista and am happy that he is bringing his clan to share in your event, but let us not lose sight of the fact that the foundations have already been laid a long time ago. As a long time (30 year) Kajukenbo practitioner and shorter time (21 year) FMA practitioner I take exception to the idea that we are just now stumbling upon this information. Philip Gelinas --__--__-- Message: 3 To: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:50:27 -0700 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Huh? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: > After hearing great reviews of the Atienza family's demonstrations and > fighting ability at the last few Sayoc Kali stick fighting seminars, I have > been in contact with Guro Carl Atienza , and eagerly awaiting the release of > their website. Well, it is up at www.Atienzakali.com so stop by and check > out the information. I also recommend visiting and training with the Atienza > Kali practitioners if you have the chance! Great skill and good hearts!! > > Gumagalang > Guro Steve L. - Kayan Dalawa Guro Sayoc Kali- I clicked on it a couple of times and got this: "If you can see this message instead of your default web page, please delete index.html from your html folder!" Not only have I no idea of what they are talking about, but why would I get this only at their site? yip, Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 4 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net, escrima_arnis@topica.com Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:23:47 -0700 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] More on Kajukenbo - From a Fellow List Member Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Forwarding on behalf of a fellow list member. Thanks, Mika. (Btw, Master Snooky Sanchez and his daughter visited my Academy up here in Vallejo some years ago, just a couple of months before he passed away. He was visiting friends and relatives up here and stopped by to say hello to Master Jimmy Tacosa, who was conducting a seminar at my Academy that day, and to Grandmaster Emil Bautista, the pillar of our martial arts community here in Vallejo, who has supported ALL my and others' efforts to promote FMA here in his home town.) Re the various arts in Kajukenbo, I should have been more specific (but I was rushing it): KA = Korean Karate - Tang Soo Do (Peter Y.Y. Choo, Jr.) JU = Jiu-Jitsu (Se Keino, Joseph Holck) and Judo (Frank F. Ordanez) KEN = Kenpo (Kara-Ho, Adriano D. Emperado) BO = Chinese Boxing (George "Clarence" Chang) In my younger days, when I was active in Kenpo, there was no mention of FMA or Lua from any of my kenpo and kajukenbo friends. Bummer! Anyway, I stand happily corrected re the incorporation of FMA and Lua in Kajukenbo! >>Hey, Alex. . . Sorry to respond off-list, I recently changed my e-mail, now the list tells me I have an invalid address. . I guess I'll contact them and see how it can be fixed. In the meantime, here is some info for you. ** Alex.France@kp.org wrote: > Most of you probably know that Kajukenbo was developed in Hawaii (honed in > the streets and bars over there, I've been told); and quickly achieved > world-renown for its for its effective combination of karate, judo, and > kenpo. Don't forget Jujitsu & Chuan Fa [Chinese Boxing] > It gets my adrenaline flowing when I imagine how much more > formidable the Kajukenbo group would have been NOW, had they incorporated > FMA There is kali and escrima incorporated into the original version(s) of the art. . . both stick and knife work. . . Sijo Adriano Emperado is, after all, Filipino. > and the native Hawaiian art of Lua there are lua techniques incorporated within the art of kajukenbo. Many of the masters that developed in Hawaii [including Ed Parker, Sensei Oki, Wally Jay, Al Dacoscos, and many, many others], trained with, and were well acquainted with lua masters. > into their arsenal THEN (when they > were first establishing their art)! But FMA was still relatively unknown not in Hawaii. . . > (or known but not popular) and Lua was still secretive. (I'm glad to hear > that there's a Lua grandmaster in Southern California that would be Olohe Solomon Kaihewalu http://www.olohe.com mailto:olohe@olohe.com > that has opened his > art up to the general public. --This is all good stuff!) yes, it is. . .Olohe Kaihewalu exposes his students not only to the hawaiian fighting art of lua, but to the language, culture, and people of Hawai'i, itself. Born & raised inHawaii, I have been training in martial arts since 1967. I have trained in a few arts with masters, and I have also traveled to different parts of the world to see what else is out there. I train in an off-shoot of the Villabrille system, under Snooky Sanchez [two generations prior to Dan Inosanto, and three prior to Eric Lee & James Lew]. Glad to see your comments as productive, and positive. Wish all the rest were. Take Care, Mika << --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 12:56:34 -0500 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Huh? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey Crafty ... I got the same thing. But it's not a msg directed at you. It's a default msg on their server that is intended for them (or whoever is managing their site). "index.html" is a default webpage name (one of many ... the specific ones might differ from server to server but this is one of the standards) that will automatically display if someone doesn't enter a specific file name. So, for instance, if you enter "www.impactacademy.com" without specifying any specific filename there, you automatically get routed to the default page, in this case, "www.impactacademy.com/index.htm" So, what I'm assuming has happened at the Atienza site is that the manager of the site has uploaded the stuff and used something like "home.html" (another default name) but the server is set up to look for "index.html" first. So he/she needs to delete "index.html" so that the server will find the default page they're using. That's my educated guess, anyway :-) Take care, Mike -----Original Message----- From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net [mailto:eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 11:50 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Huh? Woof All: > After hearing great reviews of the Atienza family's demonstrations and > fighting ability at the last few Sayoc Kali stick fighting seminars, I have > been in contact with Guro Carl Atienza , and eagerly awaiting the release of > their website. Well, it is up at www.Atienzakali.com so stop by and check > out the information. I also recommend visiting and training with the Atienza > Kali practitioners if you have the chance! Great skill and good hearts!! > > Gumagalang > Guro Steve L. - Kayan Dalawa Guro Sayoc Kali- I clicked on it a couple of times and got this: "If you can see this message instead of your default web page, please delete index.html from your html folder!" Not only have I no idea of what they are talking about, but why would I get this only at their site? yip, Crafty Dog _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 6 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net, escrima_arnis@topica.com Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:42:54 -0700 From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] More on Kajukenbo - From Arizona; and The Kombatan Seminar So Far Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Forwarding from a Kajukenbo and FMA practitioner in Arizona (Thanks, Jon!) >>Sounds like a good time with the Kajunkenbo group. As a blackbelter in Kajukenbo myself, I know you'll have a good time with the Bautista family. As a side note, a fair number of Kajukenbo groups have trained historically in the FMA art Pekiti Tersia, for quite some time, to fill in the weapons space.<< Re the Kombatan seminar this Sunday, August 11th: Serrada and Kali instructors/practitioners/friends, have e-mailed me with the intention of coming! So far, we have Kombatan, Kajukenbo, Serrada, and Villabrille Kali reps. Not bad for such a short notice! This is going to be good! Bring cameras! Take pictures! It may be awhile before we have a gathering of diverse FMA groups again! If all goes well, maybe we can set plans for an all-FMA extravaganza next year! If you're coming to the seminar, let me know the number in your party. I'd like to make sure we have enough food for everyone (participants AND their guests)! Call or e-mail me for a seminar flyer, directions, more info, etc. Alex Daytime phone: (925) 979-6960 E-mail: Alex.France@kp.org --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:08:59 -0700 (PDT) To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Component arts in Kajukenbo and FMA in Hollywood Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Most of you probably know that Kajukenbo was developed in > Hawaii (honed in > the streets and bars over there, I've been told); and > quickly achieved > world-renown for its for its effective combination of > karate, judo, and > kenpo. Actually, I thought that Kajukenbo DID incorporate FMA into their base. I don't remember where I read it (I think I may have seen it on a local Hawaiian TV show) so I don't want to pretend that my information is correct but here is what I remember: The style started out with 5 practitioners in different arts coming together and starting their art. 1 was an FMA practitioner (GM Emperado), 1 boxer & Tang Soo Do stylist, 1 Karateka...I don't remember the rest of the original group. Has anyone heard my version of this? BY the way, I also saw GM Snookie Sanchez on local Hawaiian TV. This was several years before he passed away. If anyone has ever seen GM Snookie Sanchez, you will freak out at what that man did with a bullwhip. It may seem hard to beleive but even the local Hawaiian shows can show cool stuff every once in a while that doesn't have anything to do with fishing (exciting but Hawaii has more to offer in the way of culture and the martial arts than just fishing). > It gets my adrenaline flowing when I imagine how > much more > formidable the Kajukenbo group would have been NOW, had > they incorporated > FMA and the native Hawaiian art of Lua into their arsenal > THEN (when they > were first establishing their art)! But FMA was still > relatively unknown > (or known but not popular) and Lua was still secretive. I thought that FMA was well-known in Hawaii because of Floro Villabrille and the large Filipino population that has been living in Hawaii for the last several decades. > I thought a more compelling story > would have been had if they had only made a movie bio > of the late GM Leovigildo M. Giron of Bahala Na (Giron > Arnis) Escrima. It would IMO also be a good definitive > FMA movie, where FMA would not be peripheral, but > would actually play a tremendous role. It would not > exactly be an FMA movie just like the Seagal movies > were Aikido movies, but it is a great first step. I agree, but why limit it to the story of one great man when there are many great FMA legends out there whose life stories could easily enhance the content of this movie? I would like to see GM Lacoste, PG Sulite, GM Bacon, GM A. Cabales and GM Tenio. On another note, I would like to see Mark Dacascos do more FMA in his movies. I would like to see him as one of the fighters in any new Star Wars or Matrix movie. Are there any other actors out there with an FMA background? By the way, anyone have an opinion of the fight scenes in the Bourne Identity? Yahoo! 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