Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:19:02 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #281 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Kino Mutai tape (Sidney525@aol.com) 2. Homdo, CDT, TFT (kalkiusa@netscape.net) 3. Kali Wisdom (Bobbe Edmonds) 4. Doce pares (Tom Meadows) 5. Doce Pares vs Doce Pares (Bobbe Edmonds) 6. out of town (Ray Terry) 7. Re: Moshe Feldenkrais (Ray Terry) 8. Can't we all just get along? (Musilat@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Sidney525@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:27:20 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Kino Mutai tape Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Has anyone seen the Paul Vunak Kino Mutai tape ? How was it ? Sid --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:44:20 -0400 From: kalkiusa@netscape.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Homdo, CDT, TFT Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >>Has anyone ever heard of Homdo? Apparently, the origins are that a Korean >>brought it to the Phillipines and is now in the US, apparently via CDT. >>www.cdt-training.com > >Start your research here first: >http://www.mcdojo.com/article_read.asp?id=60 > >Badger Muchas gracias Badger ... I've recently contemplated checking those guys out for "Master Technical Instructor Certification Training". In a similar vein there's the Target Focussed Training (TFT) Group . . . it's S.C.A.R.S. in disguise. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Bobbe Edmonds" To: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:39:47 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Kali Wisdom Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >"Finally, my comments are that there is only one art. Without the drills and the forms, the "entablado" , there could be no art, no skill of fighting , no "matador". A champion boxer or stickfighter rarely makes it to the top based on raw talent. It's through the honing process of drills, forms etc. that allows the person to fight skillfully. And usually when one gets real good fighting doesn't one starts to look pretty?"< Al, I have to say, this is spot-on. I often wonder what the so-called "progressive" practitioners would have everyone do, jump right in to a death match with absolutly no training in basic technique? You hear it all the time; "Sumbrada is worthless" "Hubad does nothing" "Inside deflection doesn't really work." The danger lies in the source of these claims. People of stature in the martial arts will often be taken for face value, and if they are incorrect (Everybody's human, we all make mistakes) it will be that much more difficult to accept truth when you find it. "Well, that can't be right, because so-and-so said it wouldn't really work". Also statistics tend to give these arguments weight, but really, how are they forming these results? Who was surveyed, & for how long? "99% of the time, you won't be able to use inside deflection" "80% of all fights end up on the ground" "9 out of 10 doctors stranded on a deserted island recommend a different travel agency" (Sorry, I couldn't stop myself.) To a novice student, this has an almost hypnotic effect: A radical argument from a famous instructor, with an element of truth, backed by statistics. In some cases it was probably based on research, but mostly it's just parroting of someone else's point. Not everybody who is good with stick can actually use a machete. Lots of people who are excellent with knives just don't have a very comparable stick game. In short, what worked for one person will be suicidal for another. This is going back to the idea of people of different body shapes, sizes & abilities conforming Kali to fit them, not vice versa. It has to be viewed individually to make it work. The idea of a flow drill is excellent, allowing two players to interact with each other in a fluid, dynamic environment. Each player adds to the drill or subtracts from it, according to what they are working on, what level they are at. Obviously you begin slowly, a basic pattern & tempo to build off, usually between 3-5 moves. This stage is "Predictable interaction, with predictable results". As the players progress in skill, they add variations to the basic idea, i.e. disarms, ranges, zoning, strikes out of timing with the drill, etc. This could be called "Predictable & unpredictable interaction, with predictable & unpredictable results". The last is sparring, both players throwing things unplanned, reacting to the others' actions, working for zoning advantages. This is "Unpredictable interaction, with unpredictable results". Now it comes down to skill, honed through the drills, practiced with a partner, applied in an "alive" environment. Respectfully, Bobbe Edmonds --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Tom Meadows" To: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:38:46 -0700 Organization: Simple Solutions Subject: [Eskrima] Doce pares Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings, Regarding the forward of Ewe Schwartz's letter. It was exactly that: A forwarded letter. It should be seen in that light in that it was not addressed or directed to anyone in particular, or this list. It may or not may be as Ewe wrote or intended it, and I would like someone to send me his e-mail address so I can discuss it with him. And as a side note, Percival Pableo, certified or not, is one of the finest technicians ever turned out by Doce Pares. Tom Meadows --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Bobbe Edmonds" To: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:28:21 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Doce Pares vs Doce Pares Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Jarda. My first bit of advice to you would be: Buy a boat! ;)) Doce Pares is an excellent school, and I would recommend EITHER branch (Cacoy or Dionisio). As far as politics are concerned, here is my second piece of advice: Run, don't walk, and avoid the rush. Nothing is worse, especially in martial arts. As with any large family, we have conflicts too. Don't allow yourself to be caught up in them, it detracts from training. I'm sorry that you picked our style, & then had this thrown in your face. If you are still willing, research a little more & try out a class. It will be worth your while. Good luck, & train hard! Bobbe Edmonds --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] out of town Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net fyi, I'm about to head out of town to attend the 17th International Hapkido Seminar. I'm pleased to be able to be one of the presenters, giving an intro to Suro Mike Inay's RKD (Reactive Knife Defense) program. We should be able to keep the list up and running, but just a heads-up... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Moshe Feldenkrais To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I have read his material extensively and have been using it in my own > martial arts instruction since 1989. I consider Feldenkrais' methods to be > as significant a contribution to the last century as Bruce Lee's, and I > recommend his methods to anyone with a serious interest in a study of > analytical movement. Master Tommy 'the Whip', Can you tell us more about how the Feldenkrais method has influenced your MA teaching? Or would you have to kill us then? :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:15:28 -0400 From: Musilat@aol.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Can't we all just get along? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, Why is everyone so critical of the paths of their "fellow" martial artists. It seems that, as a result of the UFC, anyone who practices their art for anything other than a brawl is looked upon as a fake. That's sad. The thug mentality that is so common in martial arts today is pretty embarrasing. I do agree that unless you practice fighting, you can't claim to be a fighter. But if you don't have anything to prove (rare in this world that we walk in)what's the harm in practicing form after form if it fulfills your needs? It's a drag that people will dismiss certain training methods because they don't seem to work for them the first time they try them. The technique may be great, but no one cares to consider that they may not be at a high enough level to pull it off. Such egos we all have. I love when people look at a training method and say "people don't fight that way". Duh. I'm always amazed by the tremendous grasp of the obvious some folks display. Training methods are only a means to an end. It has become very trendy to say that trapping doesnt work. Guess what. That is wrong. I've trained it and applied it in reality...and it worked. Did it look like like the trapping scene in Enter the Dragon(only a movie after all)? No. But it did work. Of course, if you dismiss it from day one, it will never, ever work for you. The beauty of Escrima is that, if you are patient, you will be very surprised at the things that will come out of you if you practice for the love of the art alone. Screw the ranking, just be patient and good things will come. Watch Inosanto or Gaje or someone of that caliber and you can see the great things that can come over time. If that isn't your goal, you can always take steroids and act like a guy in the WWF and continue taking the art out of the stuff that we do. If you are one of those people who think that there is no art if you are not a fighter, that would be your loss. You can take the combat out of the movement and still have a beautiful art. Look deeper. If I'm criticized for being too artsy...whatever. Who cares? I will never think that wanting to be an artist is a bad thing. Any humanities class will tell you that artists are always at the forefront of progress. I would love to be a part of that group. End of sermon. Best to all, Steve Kohn --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest