Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:19:05 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #291 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Jackson Seminar (J.R. West) 2. Datu training ? (Ray Terry) 3. Missoula Montana (POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com) 4. Re: Austronesian paradigm shift (Ray Terry) 5. Kali, Arnis as Terms in the Philippines (Leo Salinel) 6. FMA instructors in Hanau Area? (Eric Taimanglo) 7. KALI (David Eke) 8. kamagong and bahi wood (Christian.Farinetto@gmx.de) 9. Strength Training (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "J.R. West" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:54:26 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Jackson Seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Many thanx to all those that made it to Jackson, MS this weekend, and especially to Ray for taking time out from his very busy (just kidding) schedule to assist with the teaching duties. Although it was a small crowd, about 140, there was plenty of action on the mats and at various buffets around the Jackson area. The next one is scheduled for the weekend of March 7th, 2003, with an expected 300 participants. We look forward to seeing Ray again, along with Master Timmerman, Master Hodder, Master McHenry, Master Allison, Master Hilland (who couldn't make it this time), Master Booth and many other great teachers and students. Thanx again to everyone that helped make this a success....J. R. West www.hapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Datu training ? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Along with some of the basic techniques in Serrada (basic counters, > stick on stick locks, hand on weapon, hand on hand, lock and block, > and flow sparring), Angel's Disciples will also demonstrate some of its > advanced-level training (rising sun, knife techniques, pick flow), and > datu-level training (espada y daga lock and block, espada y daga vs. long > stick). Can you tell us more about this Datu-level training??? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:07:45 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Missoula Montana Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 8/20/02 7:40:00 PM, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: << Alain Buresse has advised me of famous kickboxer Jim Harrison >> Even without FMA, you could HARDLY, go wrong training with either of these guys, and staying alive in an assault situation. Both get 5 out of 5 stars from me. Tom Furman dragondoor.com Russian Kettlebell Instructor --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Austronesian paradigm shift To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > ... Art is born out > of experience. How can anything be watered down if there are more and > varied experiences in terms of history and such? The only thing I believe > that ever gets watered down in any art is training. Plain and simple. Excellent point! Mind if I quote you? Whoops, guess I aleady did... :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:53:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Leo Salinel To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Kali, Arnis as Terms in the Philippines Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Of the many theories I've read here on this email list as to the uses/origins of the terms "Kali" and "Arnis" and stuff, Tuhon Bill's explanation makes the most sense, even more sense than that made by some of my fellow Flips. In all honesty, Dr. H. Otley Beyer's theory of the "3 waves of migration" consisting of pygmy Negroes, followed by Indonesians and then by Malays before the Spaniards came to the PHilippines has already been put into serious question by Philippinologist historians and anthropologists. I agree with the other Fil-Am's post that it's more likely that the Philippines was a source of people and not a mere receiving backwater. I disagree though that it's unnecessary to dig into the past to give historical validity to FMA techniques and other stuff. Although ultimately it's the effectivity that counts and not the history, a sense of history is also necessary for us Flips to take pride in and notice of the FMA. I betcha, most of us younger Flips won't touch it with a ten foot pole if we are taught that it was entirely developed from Spanish swordfighting techniques (which isn't true anyway; there was some influence but not entirely). Because it would only show how empty our culture is. Some measure of reconstructivist "Pinoy Pride" affirmative historical discourse is necessary. Of course a lot of techniques and methods were developed during the Spanish times as a result of interactions with European swordfighting as well as directly copied from the Spaniards themselves, but in the main it is necessary to point out that the core of FMA techniques are indigenous (although not necessarily pre-colonial although there's evidence that points out the fact that the core IS INDEED precolonial). I've seen video footage of tribesmen in the Visayas who live in Panay's hinterlands doing what looked to me to be a war dance, using "ginunting" blades and prancing around in what looked like Pekiti-Tirsia footwork. To me, it affirmed Tuhon Gaje's assertions that there's a base, a very rich base, of precolonial FMA techniques and methods that predate the Spanish invasion. Off topic, Tuhon Bill has a knack of distinguishing Tuhon Gaje's paraphrasing from his serious answers, and he goes beyond that to do his own research and applies his own common sense. This much I can glean from his very accurate translation of "Pekiti Tirsia" into "close thirds". Unlike other people who mistake Tuhon's mere paraphrasing TO CUT UP SMALL UP CLOSE for the literal translation. We can attribute this of course to Tuhon Bill's very long association with GT Leo Gaje, but then other people have also spent time with Tuhon Gaje and still don't have much of an idea when to take Tuhon Gaje's statements seriously or when to take them with a grain of salt. I stand corrected by GatPuno's post on Tagalog words for swords/blades, since I'm your typical Manila boy who grew up on Sesame Street and rarely spent time in the rural areas whereas he spent his growing years there in the heartland of Katagalugan, i.e., Laguna. I guess every province or region in the Philippines has a rich vocabulary for the different types of bolo swords and utility blades, but the Visayans do have a more publicized vocabulary (let's face it, 95% of the FMA styles known worldwide and here in the Phils. are from the Visayas). I don't know about the mistrust between Tagalogs and Visayans, though, but I guess I'd take GatPuno's word for it since I never experienced it here in cosmopolitan Manila. I know about mistrust between Christians and Muslims to this day here in the Philippines, but Visayans? ===== Earn $$ just by receiving and reading email! http://www.resource-a-day.net/member/index.cgi?Brandon96 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com --__--__-- Message: 6 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 06:12:27 -0400 From: "Eric Taimanglo" Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Subject: [Eskrima] FMA instructors in Hanau Area? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey, I'm a U.S. Soldier here in Hanau, looking for any FMA instructors/ practitioners in the area. I live and work at Fliegerhorst Kaserne. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. _____________________________________________________________ Play the Elvis® Scratch & Win for your chance to instantly win $10,000 Cash - a 2003 Harley Davidson® Sportster® - 1 of 25,000 CD's - and more! http://r.lycos.com/r/sagel_mail_scratch_tl/http://win.ipromotions.com/lycos_020801/index.asp?tc=7087 --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "David Eke" To: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:44:24 +1000 Subject: [Eskrima] KALI Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thought Rocky's post was a good time to delurk. >And Ray I too would like to know when GT Gaji started calling PT Kali, the >guys I trained with called it Arnis and pronoused (sp) it "ARNEZ" I think the answer lies in a number of lines in Dan Inosantos book "The Filipino Martial Arts". "Escrima in the Philippines is dead, they say. The proven fighters, the adventurous ones, have all left. If what they say is true, then America is the new home of the Escrimador-or Kali- of the ancient savage and sophisticated arts of the Filipino people." P.13 "Ben Largusa separates himself from the title of Escrima master. He is a man of Kali, the older Filipino art." P.30 GT Gaje started calling PT "KALI" because he thought that it was politically and financially advantageous to align himself with a number of other FMA instructors like Ben Largusa (supported by Guro I's book) who wanted to differentiate themselves from the indigenous FMA as being somehow "older" or "better" Clearly this attitude was based on ignorance of the facts, Escrima if you cared to look for it was always alive and well in the Philippines. It's a shame the Guro Dan at the time of writing his first book had made no attempt to travel to the Philippines and find out for himself. If he had he would never have made any reference to America being the new home of the Escrimador and in the late 70's and 80's it would have been the perfect opportunity for him to document many of the varying styles of the indigenous FMA. Many of the old Masters were still alive, unfortunately now (for most) it is too late. On other matters >Now Frans Stroven under Percibal Pableo under Dionisio Canete wants to tell >us that he does not recognize Eskrima taught by Cacoy Canete as genuine and >that Cacoy's certificates are not legitimate. Gee I wonder if he'd tell that to Cacoy in person. Not that it really matters but Doce Pares has never been a style but a club. Although the Canete's have been prominent over the past 30 years many other styles have resided within the Doce Pares. No one ever really taught one syllabus so I don't see what the problem is. If you get the opportunity, learn off both. >For quite a few years now Doce Pares has been divided into two groups those >of GM Cacoy and those of Diony Canete (The lack of a title here is not >disrespectful, it is simply Diony's personal wish to not be addresssed by a >title). Even within the Diony camp there seems to be discrepancies with titles e.g. Sonny Napial from a previous post. >I would like to announce that I have been chosen by Steve Wolk, WEKAF USA >Director, and at the urging of G/M Dionisio Canete. David Eke --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:20:00 +0200 (MEST) From: Christian.Farinetto@gmx.de To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] kamagong and bahi wood Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello there, I intend to send some Kamagong and Bahi sticks to the UK, USA and France, from the RP. Could somebody tell me about taxes on those products? Some of my friends also pretend that there are export restrictions for those kinds of wood, is that true? Maraming Salamat, mabuhay ang FMA at Silat. Christian. -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry To: policedo@martialartsresource.net (Policedo), eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima), the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Strength Training Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net There is an excellent article in the recent issue of The Law Enforcement Trainer (July/August 2002); Strength Training and Testing on the Force: A SWAT Instructor's Notes, by Paul Tsatsouline. Very briefly, Tsatsouline likes the Three-to-Five Method to get strong. His claim is that you must first get strong before you can get fast. That approaches like plyometrics are okay, but most do not first take the time to get strong so that plyometrics will be effective. The 3-to-5 Method guidelines are 3-5 exercises (no need to do all in one session), 3-5 sets, 3-5 reps (life slow and tight, stop a rep or two short of failure), 3-5 mins of rest between the sets, 3-5 workouts per week. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest