Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 03:02:10 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #300 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Tabak Toyok (Musilat@aol.com) 2. Totonto (bill m) 3. Jay de Leon, letter to IKF (Kelly Worden) 4. Re: taking it offline (Ashley Bass) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:00:52 -0400 From: Musilat@aol.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Tabak Toyok Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Mike, About the only thing I would suggest for teaching Tabak Toyok is probably kind of obvious if you already teach it; modify your stick curriculum so that there are no retracting shots (witiks). Focus on Labtiks and Redondos instead (as with the whip). Best, Steve Kohn --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "bill m" To: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:18:48 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Totonto Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Guys, Can someone help this gentleman out. Please email him directly. Thanks, Tuhon Bill My name is Trevor Adams. I was wondering if you could recommend any instructors in the Toronto, Canada area that train in the Arnis or Eskrima disciplines. Please let me know if you can be of any assistance. I can be reached at c_bourne@sympatico.ca or (416) 402-4861. Thank you, Trevor Adams. Email: tuhonbill@pekiti-tirsia.com PTI website: http://www.pekiti-tirsia.com/ --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:17:10 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Kelly Worden Subject: [Eskrima] Jay de Leon, letter to IKF Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sure didn't take long for the outsider's of Modern Arnis to drop their agenda motivated thoughts into the recent IKF Magazine. I was humored at Jay de Leon's attempt to reach out for some credibility about his brief friendship and training under Professor Presas. Admittedly he was only a student for a short time and only attended several seminars, several means "3 or 4" does it not? His link to Modern Arnis thru "NARAPHIL" is an "Insult to Professor" not a credibility issue. Speaking with Remy Jr. just hours ago and having Roland Dantes stay with me for a month at a time over the last two years, "NARAPHIL" and former students linked to that "Government Regime" was the direct reason Remy Presas fleed the P.I. Where's the honor in being affiliated to "NARAPHIL" and the political powerplay of literally stealing the Modern Arnis Organization away from Professor Presas? I would be hard pressed to believe "Jay de Leon" didn't mean to disrespect everyone he indirectly buzzed around, ("be they, loyalists, renegades, of alphabet soup coalitions)! I am the director and represent the only "Modern Arnis Coalition", I contend a coalition is to keep our group in check, no self proclaimed dictators here. This Coalition is also the only direct Modern Arnis group outside of MARPPIO that believes Modern Arnis is a cultural art and publically supports the Presas Family and the instructors directly connected to Modern Arnis in the P.I. That is, the Instructors that Professor Presas embraced personally in the P.I., not those that turned on him and joined "NARAPHIL"! If having Roland Dantes, Remy Presas Jr., Demitrio Presas, Rodel Daggoc, Leonard Trigg, James Keating, Richard Ryan, Dr. Brett Jacques, Ron Pierce, and others on the Advisory Board of the World Modern Arnis Coalition makes us "Alphabet Soup", well hell baby, dish me up a big bowl.... In closing, Professor Presas said many times, "Modern Arnis is my business". We are Professor Presas' students, "mind your own business,and you're own system, Jay de Leon." Remy Presas concidered both Roland Dantes and I, his "Brother and friend". I had his blessing in Modern Arnis, Remy intended to move to Tacoma and live with my family. The day before moving he fell during a walk, was hospitalized and not released from direct care again. I doubt if "Jay de Leon" and Remy Presas were "that close", can he share the same truth and experience? Besides that, Remy never trusted NARAPHIL, I wonder if he trusted Jay de Leon!! Wish to clarify my statements? e-mail Roland Dantes at, rolanddantes@hotmail.com Sincerely, Kelly S. Worden --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Ashley Bass" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:22:27 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: taking it offline Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray, Please post this again to cap off this thread. You can edit as you see fit. Might be a nice plug for people reseaching some themselves by reading the Archive backissues, hmmm? Vol 07 : Num 526 From: abass@iname.com Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 09:23:50 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Inosanto Book's History Guro Dan's book was *compiled* by Dan Inosanto, Gilbert L. Johnson, and George Foon. So says the title page. I read the book as a pieced together work by these authors. Where there are words in a section like "I" and "my instructor" (Styles, page 14), I try to read Guro I speaking. Other sections (Forward page 4, Introduction page 5, On Dan Inosanto page 6, History page 10) I read as coming from one of the other compilers. Some sections include a mix of style and I just try to take it all with a grain of salt. There has been debate about the Floro Villabrille section. Especially the bit about the award hanging next to the Lapu-Lapu giant picture. Let's look at that piece of text: "In the Cebu municipal Museum they have a giant picture of Lapu-Lapu, the man who killed Magellan. Next in size is the certificate and picture of Grandmaster Floro Villabrille." Now, in the third paragraph of this page (35) we read, "In December of 1977 my Publisher visited Mr. Villabrille at his home on Kaui, Hawaii where he spoke of his special training." So, the rest of the page is more likely the result of this interview than anything else. Note that the quote about the certificate *does not* say that it hangs next to the Lapu-Lapu picture, but that it is next in size to it. The Lapu-Lapu may have been three feet tall and the certificate two and a half feet tall. Next in size means next in size, not next to on a wall. And did the writer see the picture of Lapu-Lapu in Cebu? Doubtful. More likely, the writer was told by Floro Villabrille during the interview about it. Maybe, "I have a certificate. See here. See how big it is? Only thing bigger is picture of Lapu-Lapu in Cebu." And the writer writes. We don't know how he got the story. The big one: On page 21, the page that starts off the bits about The Masters, we read at the top: "The following exerpts, by Gilbert Johnson, of some of the masters who influenced Danny's development are included here to give the reader an insight into the source of Danny Inosanto's Escrima and Kali." REPEAT: "by Gilbert Johnson" So, all this digest hemming and hawing about how and why Guro I got the information from Floro Villabrille is moot. Guro I didn't write that stuff, Gilbert Johnson did. Says so right there. If someone wishes to mention that Guro I could have stopped the publication if he'd wanted to then that someone doesn't know about publishing. Publishers can and do change things between an author's submission and final publication as they see necessary to ensure better sales. Their job is to ensure sales. That's what they do. Perhaps one of the reasons that Guro I has abandoned this book is because he is unhappy with some of the inconsistancies in it. Think about it, and let's stop trying to use it as some kind of FMA bible. It was never intended as such. It is a good read and suffers from a failure by its researchers to check the validity of some of the information they put into it. On page 171, Guro I (I read it as him anyway) states: "Most history is prejudicial guessing. According to Will Durant, ' Even the historian who thinks the (to?) rise above partiality for his country, race, creed or class betrays his secret predilection in his choice of matierias, and in the nuances of his adjectives.'" Since this book was not written by historians, and the information contained in it was not collected from historians, then why are so many people arguing its historical validity? Take it for what it is; some paper with some words on it. Some words are useful, use them. Others may not be, don't use them. Simple enough, really. ashley bass ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ All the busy little creatures Chasing out their destinies Living in their pools They soon forget about the sea... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~N.P.~~~~ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest