Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:11:06 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #301 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Tabak Toyok (Mike aka Shugendo) 2. Balintawak Eskrima Seminar in Ohio (Ray Asuncion) 3. Attacked with a machete (Travis F.) 4. GM Ernesto Presas seminar review (Mark Lynn) 5. Haribon Dumog by Guro Dan Rutano (RJ Sison) 6. revisionist history (David Eke) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Mike aka Shugendo" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:43:11 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Tabak Toyok Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thanks for the info Steve! The progression is pretty standard: chambers, strikes, recovery/redirection, evasion, blocks, range mastery, disarms, locks and controls. How does that sound? :) _______________________________________________ Michael A. Krivka http://www.martialartskoncepts.com Phone: 301/963-6520 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:07:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Asuncion To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Balintawak Eskrima Seminar in Ohio Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello, If anyone in or near the Cincinnati, Ohio area is interested, GM Bobby Taboada will be having a Balintawak Eskrima Seminar in September. The date is September 21, 2002. Please visit this website for more information: http://cincinnatibalintawak.homestead.com/ Thanks, Ray Asuncion __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Travis F." To: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:26:03 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Attacked with a machete Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Wasn't all that long a go that a man pulled a machete after a traffic altercation here either... >From the Providence Journal... Police seek 3 men in bloody attack Two victims remain hospitalized, one in critical condition. 08/27/2002 By DAVID McFADDEN Journal Staff Writer CENTRAL FALLS -- Two city men suffered deep gashes and at least one severed finger last night in a streetside dispute with three unidentified assailants, who neighbors report wielded a machete, among other weapons. Carlos Mendoza, 41, of 124 Summer St., and Luis Fontalvo, 32, of 67 Hedley Ave., were rushed to the hospital by rescue workers shortly after 9 Sunday night when police found the two men in blood-drenched clothes near 848 Dexter St., according to the police. Fontalvo's right arm was wrapped in a towel, and an unidentified companion was holding the bleeding arm above his head. Mendoza was found to have "several large lacerations" on his back, and "appeared to have fingers missing," according to the police report. Police found one fingertip on the sidewalk outside 848 Dexter St. , a small two-story house with a gated yard filled with cars and car parts. Rhode Island Hospital officials said yesterday that Fontalvo's condition was satisfactory. Mendoza, however, is listed in critical condition. "We're still investigating the incident," said Central Falls Capt. Joseph Moran. There have been no arrests, he said. Few details were available from the police because the crime is still under investigation. But several residents of the busy thoroughfare where the attack took place discussed theories about what caused the violent altercation. Some said it was due to an overdue loan of $20. Others said it was over a woman. Whatever the cause, several area residents, including Efrain Trinidad, of a nearby Dexter Street apartment house, saw three men fleeing the crime scene while carrying a machete, a piece of pipe, and a baseball bat. "You could see the shine of light on the machete," he said, adding that he didn't see their faces. According to other residents, who did not wish to be identified, the three male attackers ran with difficulty up nearby Crossman Street after the attack, seemingly "wearing slippers," said one. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Mark Lynn" To: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:10:47 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] GM Ernesto Presas seminar review Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net This past weekend we had a great seminar with GM Ernesto Presas at Unlimited Success Martial Arts in Allen TX. GM taught 6 hours on Saturday and 5 1/2 hours on Sunday and this is an overview of what he covered. Day1 Double stick Sinawalis (we made it through 10-11 drills) 14 count double baston feeding pattern and Combative responses 1-4 off of those feeds. Policing techniques - releasing techniques from various holds on the stick hand and the stick itself. Knife techniques - solo skill/warm up drills and palit palit drills with the knife Empty hand vs. knife techniques Solo baston classical arnis techniques (Abaniko Doblada, Sungekti, ) Demonstration and QA Day 2 Double stick warm up and Sinawalis 14 count double baston feeding pattern and combative responses 1-4 off of those feeds Double stick disarming Double baston twirling and footwork pattern Mano Mano (empty hand techniques) Palit Palit drills Knife vs. knife, empty hand vs. empty hand, Empty hand techniques/defense combined with the palit palit drills. Dulo techniques Solo baston disarming Q and A and demonstration using the bo, jo, boken, tonfa, sai, katana, Do Puntos method, bath towel, knife, and stick. We had a good mixture of students from beginners in Arnis to Lakans; black belt instructors in TKD, Hapkido, Han Mu Do and Shotokan; Krav maga students and beginners in the martial arts. All in all we had 26 people attending (24 on the first day, and 25 on the 2nd) it was a great time. Afterward on Sunday we even got a couple of more hours of private training with GM. He was even demonstrating traditional Okinawan weapons and Iaido forms to us as well. We look forward to bringing him back next year as well. In fact the attendees would like to try and schedule him again in 6 months but we will probably have to wait a year to work it in to his schedule. M. Lynn --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "RJ Sison" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 03:19:45 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Haribon Dumog by Guro Dan Rutano Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Check out this new book I bought on (Filipino wrestling) dumog/buno, search forit on the web- "Haribon Dumog" by Guro Dan Rutano. It shows the parallel between weapons,empty hands(tanikalang kamay,sikaran,panuntukan,tanikalang kamay,etc...) and dumog. Sincerely, Lakas Pilipino _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "David Eke" To: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:41:33 +1000 Subject: [Eskrima] revisionist history Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Look, I've avoided making comment on a number previous threads about Guro I. I'm going to redirect. >I read the book as a pieced together work by these authors. Where >there are words in a section like "I" and "my instructor" (Styles, >page 14), I try to read Guro I speaking. Other sections (Forward >page 4, Introduction page 5, On Dan Inosanto page 6, History page >10) I read as coming from one of the other compilers. Some >sections include a mix of style and I just try to take it all with a grain >of salt. Guys, it was never my point to dish out at Guro I just because it was him. It has never mattered who said it, but that it was said at all. The myth about no good escrimadors left in the Philippines has been debunked. I'll get off my soapbox (at least about that) >There has been debate about the Floro Villabrille section. Especially >the bit about the award hanging next to the Lapu-Lapu giant picture. >Let's look at that piece of text: "In the Cebu municipal Museum they >have a giant picture of Lapu-Lapu, the man who killed Magellan. >Next in size is the certificate and picture of Grandmaster Floro >Villabrille." >Now, in the third paragraph of this page (35) we read, "In December >of 1977 my Publisher visited Mr. Villabrille at his home on Kaui, >Hawaii where he spoke of his special training." So, the rest of the >page is more likely the result of this interview than anything else. >Note that the quote about the certificate *does not* say that it >hangs next to the Lapu-Lapu picture, but that it is next in size to >it. The Lapu-Lapu may have been three feet tall and the certificate >two and a half feet tall. Next in size means next in size, not next >to on a wall. And did the writer see the picture of Lapu-Lapu in >Cebu? Doubtful. More likely, the writer was told by Floro Villabrille >during the interview about it. Maybe, "I have a certificate. See >here. See how big it is? Only thing bigger is picture of Lapu-Lapu in >Cebu." And the writer writes. We don't know how he got the story. C'mon now, don't spin doctor the text. It's pretty clear Villabrille told someone that there was a certificate hanging up in the Cebu Municipal and it has made its way into the book. Fact is, it's not there (wasn't in 89 or 91) or anywhere else in the building. Obviously I can not say it never existed but none of the oral histories from anyone I talked too, when I asked them, even knew the man let alone the certificate. I could be wrong but I doubt it. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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