Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 14:14:05 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #308 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. HOCK (Bob Barnum) 2. Re: Hock Hochheims Knife Fighting Book(s) (Scott Kinney) 3. Kombatan Arnis added (Ray Terry) 4. Arnis in Education (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Bob Barnum" To: Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 02:45:13 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] HOCK Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Jack, Which knife book - he has three. Speaking in general, Hock is very knowledgeable and straightforward. They are full of practical applications, the drills alone are worth the cost. He is very detailed and gets a thumbs up from me (for whatever thats worth). Here's a link to his bio page, it's got info on his background. http://www.hockscqc.com/bio/index.htm Also, I have his first two tapes on knifefighting, covering levels 1 - 6 and they are great. He has some good deals on his site in the way of packages, check it out. I know this is just general stuff but I hope this helps. Good luck. Bob Barnum Pittsburgh, PA --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 03 Sep 02 08:30:07 +0000 From: "Scott Kinney" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Hock Hochheims Knife Fighting Book(s) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Jack, Hock has 3 books on knife fighting: Knife Fighting Encyclopedia Military Knife Combat Unarmed Against the Knife The first, as you might expect, presents a progression of techniques, drills, essays on psychological and legal aspects, and so on. The second is a collection of both historical and first-person accounts of knife fights on the battle field, and the training techniques pertaining to them. The 3rd presents an introduction to the basic concepts of fighting unarmed against knife attacks in the street: recognizing common carry sites, stalking tactics, and so on. He also has umpteen tapes and other material for training. I like them and find valuable training concepts and practices. I also like training with Hock, he's personable, not in for a lot of frills, he means it when he says he really sees himself as more of a coach than an instructor. There aren't a lot of absolutes; no 'best' stance, no 'best' grip, and so on. To give a couple of examples: take a very basic 'X' shaped slashing pattern. With Hock, you'll wind up practicing that at 3 target levels (head, torso, legs), on your feet, on your knees, on one knee, on your back, with power against a 'war-post', with speed against a focus pad, forward grip, reverse grip, hacking (vs. slashing), stabbing. Then do it all with your other hand.. In a partnered drill, you'll do it 'dummy style', against a continuum of resistance, and then problem solve ways around 'sticking points'. I was the 'attacking dummy' for someone testing under Hock, and the guy used the same basic defense against 2 different attacks. Hock's comment was: 'OK, you can do that pretty well. But if you do it again, I'll flunk you. I want to see you use some other approaches..." There are other folks on the list that can give the complete 411 on his background and bio (Jeff, are you there?). Basically, he has a Modern Arnis background, was an MP in the Army and a homicide detective in Texas. Some of his info on knife wounds and surviving encounters with knives (shown in the 'Encyclopedia') comes from interviewing folks in the ER... Anyway, I've droned on long enough......    -------------------------------------------------- Scott Kinney Project Manager, Amateur Barbarian sakinney@ix.netcom.com -------------------------------------------------- --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:07:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Kombatan Arnis added Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net fyi, thanks to Mr. Mark Lynn we now have an updated section in the FMA FAQ on Kombatan Arnis. Thanks! Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 07:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Arnis in Education Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Arnis in Education by Pedro Reyes Rapid Journal Vol 5, No 1, 2000 Taichi Works Publications 458 Jaboneros St. Binondo Manila 1006 I would like to make an essay in Montaigne's sense of the term, an assay of the dream of many maestros to convince the Department of Education to make arnis into a compulsory subject in school. So I will look now here, now there, draw tentative conclusions and digress every now and then, all to spark discussion, of which I have seen little. My articles are beginnings, tentative findings, not final, iron-cast, dogmatic conclusions, which I submit to colleagues for further confirmation, extension or challenge, and I am willing to change my mind should someone prove that I am wrong. At one meeting, officials of the Department of Education asked the maestros three questions: - How will you insure the safety of the students? - Where are the qualified teachers? - What style shall the maestros teach? Let me assay the topics in order and suggest improvements. The Safety Air Baton Actually arnis de mano is safer than boxing, which sports officials consider harmless to include in the Olympics. Arnisadores stop their blows short of contact during practice. While in an actual fight they would hit the arms of their opponents, in sparring they hit the stick instead. They wer armor and use padded sticks during tournaments. We could improve safety by making students always wear proectors to prevent injury to the eyes whenever they spar. Second, we could replace the current face guards with a full-face visor similar to those worn by motorcyclists. The present design with metal bars will not prevent pieces of a stick from going through to injure the face should the stick splinter. Finally, I suggest that arnisadores use the safety air baton when sparring. The present padded stick has a solid core that can cause pain, bruises and cuts should the padding compress to the limit of its elasticity. The safety air baton is a rubber tube stiffened with compressed air introduced through a tire valve. Hide the valve by screwing on the handle and you are ready to spar. With the air baton you can spar even without body armor with the exception of an eye protector. Children could use it with complete safety. You would still have to practice with the regular baton, though, because the air baton is lighter and has a different heft and balance from the regular weapon (but the same is true with the padded stick). Do not underestimate the power of the air baton. By filling it with water instead of air, an arnisador can knock out a man with one wallop. A leather tube filled with water was one of the more exotic weapons of the ancient arnisadores. We Need Teachers, Not Performers It seems easy to answer the question about where the teachers would come from. Let the various gymnasia arid arnis associations send a list of their highest ranking disciples to the Department of Education. But to answer is not that easy. Let us face it. Many a gymnasia would promote a student because the gymnasium needs money, not because of the progress of the student, a deplorable situation, but true. More to the point, students generally earn grades because of their athletic performances, not because of their teaching abilities. And yet with rare exceptions there seems to be an inverse relationship between athletic performance and the ability to teach. This is true in arnis and in other sports as well. Whoever heard of Gus D'Amato as a boxer? And yet he is one of the all-time great boxing trainers. Baby Dalupan is one of the finest basketball coaches the Philippines has produced, but he was a mediocre player. Conversely, Gran Maestro Antonio Ilustrisimo is perhaps the finest fighter in the history of arnis, yet he was a poor teacher. The government should apply the same principle it uses to give civil service examinations. The government does not ask colleges to send a list of their graduates and leave it at that. The government determines whom it will appoint by giving civil service examinations. It could constitute regional boards that would go from province to province within each region to examine arnisadores who want to teach in the schools. Because there are no formal courses in arnis (none yet anyway), the examinations should be open to all arnisadores who wish to try out. Since arnis is a physical art, the examiners should emphasize physical demonstration rather than pencil and paper tests. The board could ask the candidate to explain the nature of his style, to demonstrate a sample of his techniques, and to show how he would teach. The board should grade the candidate's ability to teach regardless of his style. Judging a candidate's effectiveness in teaching while disregarding his style is not difficult. School supervisors routinely judge how well a teacher instructs regardless of whether he is teaching mathematics, drawing or literature. Encourage Many Styles, Not Just One Man is an animal, so that he and his institutions are subject to the laws of biological evolution. A hundred years ago Charles Darwin discovered the key to biological survival and development. It is biodiversity. Scientists guarding a seed bank of wild plants choose to starve rather than eat the seeds during a famine in Russia to preserve the possibility of man's future survival should current cultivated plants become useless through unexpected diseases, changes in temperature or alterations in the composition of the air. That is why I oppose the idea that arnisadores should get together to come up with a single standard style to teach in the schools. Arnisadores who advocate supporting a single style are unwittingly condemning arnis to be a museum piece, to a historical curiosity, to death. Unfortunately, the wisdom of man is limited. Mullah Nasrudin was on his hands and knees under a street light when a neighbor inquired, "What are you doing; Nasrudin?" "I'm looking for my keys " The neighbor also got down on his hands and knees to help. After some time, the neighbor straightened up and said, "They don't seem to be here. Where did you lose them?" "In my house. " "Then why are you looking for them here ? "Because here, there's light. " The light of the current wisdom does not always shine on the darkness where keys are found. If wisdom is limited, then let us not pick the best style by analysis, you say. Let us make the arnisadores fight. But how do you isolate technical efficiency from native athletic ability? From the influence of a coach? From bias in the rules and the blindness of judges? There are too many uncontrolled variables. Include all known techniques in one huge, clumsy, contradictory style? That will not do. No one would ever master the whole style in reasonable time. Then there are the egos of the maestros to consider. Each maestro seems to think that his style is the best and should be the standard. I understand that two maestros yelled challenges at one another and almost came to blows at a formal meeting with the chairman of the Philippine Sports Commission. The chairman was so disgusted that he told some of the maestros, "Don't return until you've learned to be more civil to one another." One day a miser decided to ask his village elder for spiritual advice. The elder walked him to a window and help up a clear pane of glass in front of the miser's race. "What do you see? , the elder asked "People, elder." He next held up a mirror in front of the miser; "What do you see? " "Myself, elder. " You know, both panes are made of glass. But one is clear while the other has a silver coating behind it I dearly want to be corrected, but my impression is that many maestros are like the miser, looking at a mirror with a silver backing and seeing only themselves. Single Succession vs. Multi-Succession In India, China and Japan disciples expect that before their master dies he would appoint his successor to whom they would bow. Usually the successor would be a close relative of the master. As I have explained in a previous article (Rapid Journal, Vol. 4 No. 1), that tradition is absent in classical arnis. But some maestros who teach commercially and have had experience with styles from Mainland Asia would like to adopt the same tradition so there would be only one dominant official head of a style. Jerson Tortal and Leo Gaje practice the same style of Piquete Tercia. By the way that should be its proper spelling as it is straight Spanish for One-third (Tercia) Thrust (Piquete), an apt name for this close-quarters style, but because people from the Visayas frequently interchange "i" and "e," they spell the name of the style as Pekiti Tercia to distinguish himself from Gaje. Tortal has changed the name of his style to Dikite Tercia, from the vernacular "dikit," meaning "close." Again, the disciple of the late Edgar Sulite are in disarray because his widow has named a successor whom some seniors cannot accept. Look. Classical arnis flourished for centuries without a tradition of succession. True, a classical master may have had a favorite student, but that did not mean that the favorite was a successor. Assume arnisadores adopt the tradition of appointing successors. Do each maestro have to appoint only one successor? Not so. Multi-succession is an alternative to single succession. I will have to cull my example of multi-succession from abroad, since no arnis maestro who wholeheartedly supports multi-succession comes immediately to my mind. By making every student eligible for tenth dan, the highest grade in Judo, Jigoro Kano implemented multi-succession. The result? Kodokan Judo is one of the most successful organizations in the history of martial arts. Other styles that adopted the same concept have also flourished. The reason? Multi-succession encourages diversity, as Darwin said, the key to survival. By adopting multiple succession, Jigoro Kano made Kodokan Judo one of the most successful organizations in the martial arts, and Judo a popular sport. Where is the Next Bhagavad Gita? The martial arts classics, like the Book of Five Rings, the Tai Chi Chuan Classics and the Bhagavad Gita, are classics because they embed the martial arts in the civilizations of their times. Unfortunately the civilizations these classics describe are already dead. For every great civilization is the working out of a principal idea, and when that idea is exhausted the civilization dies. The grand idea behind the civilizations that the classics describe is totalitarian control, the pruning away of differences. History proves that dogmatic totalitarianism blocks progress because it cannot cope with complex changes. So we have seen in succession the decline of absolute monarchies, of the Papacy and of communism. The dominant world civilization today is the Euro-American civilization that came from Western Europe. Nations east and west, north and south, are hastily trying it out to see if it will also work better for them. The seminal idea behind Euro-American civilization is that diversity is necessary to progress. Totalitarian dogma is out. Scientists formulate hypotheses, not dogma, and freely discuss and revise them. Politicians debate without jailing, exiling or shooting their opponents. Artists, writers and musicians give free rein to their creativity, resisting; blind censorship. The result is that the Euro-American has made more progress in knowledge, wealth and compassion in the past three hundred years than totalitarian man has made in the previous three thousand years. Unfortunately the news has not yet reached the ears of martial arts masters. Reactionaries, they act like petty Poi Pots in their gyms. What we need in the martial arts is a new Bhagavad Gita that would explain the value of diversity with the same eloquence as the old Gita explained totalitarianism. In the absence of a new Gita, what do I recommend the martial artist to read? Ishmael, by Daniel Quinn. The book exposes in exquisite detail the central idea at the heart of contemporary world civilization: the value of diversity. It includes the stunning possibility that by encouraging diversity, man may help a species more fit than himself to emerge. Ishmael makes me both glad and sad because when the implications of the seminal idea behind a civilization can be spelled out in detail, that civilization is about to enter its full flowering and subsequent decline. When Aristotle could expose the detailed implications of the idea behind Greek civilization, the civilization was in full bloom and ready to decline. So with St. Thomas Aquinas, whose Summas presaged the death of the civilization of Medieval Europe. The same with Chu Hsi; his synthesis marked the beginning of the end of classical Chinese civilization. But do not worry. It takes centuries for a civilization to die. And no civilization completely dies. Man preserves what is, useful in the old, shining now in another context. Filipino parents circumcise their male children for hygienic reasons unaware that in ancient times circumcision was an initiation into the mysteries of the snake that attains immortality by shedding its skin. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest