Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:34:06 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #322 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Sifu Hartsell Seminar Tour (Frank Burczynski) 2. Re: Kicks (jonbroster@another.co.uk) 3. RE: kicks (richard.killick@atisrealweatheralls.com) 4. RE sipanggabiakid (reverse kick) (Patrick Davies) 5. ESkrima in NYC (Don Edwards) 6. Silat in Mass (buddytripp@lungmen.org) 7. Martial arts/ boxing instructional posters (Sidney525@aol.com) 8. Re: Shins kicks (Jesse Manibusan) 9. list slow ? (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:05:48 +0200 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: jkdberlin@t-online.de (Frank Burczynski) Subject: [Eskrima] Sifu Hartsell Seminar Tour Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net 28. + 29.09.2002 Jeet Kune Do Grappling Lameco Eskrima Inosanto Kali Sifu Larry Hartsell in England! Contact Bill Lowry billlowery@tinyonline.co.uk 04.10.2002 Jeet Kune Do Grappling Lameco Eskrima Inosanto Kali Sifu Larry Hartsell in Goettingen contact Waldo Brandt 0171-2822639 05.10.2002 Jeet Kune Do Grappling Lameco Eskrima Inosanto Kali Sifu Larry Hartsell in Berlin contact jkdberlin@t-online.de 06.10.2002 Jeet Kune Do Grappling Lameco Eskrima Inosanto Kali Sifu Larry Hartsell in Lodz/Poland Contact Sifu Wojtech Adamusik brucejfjkd@wp.pl Frank Burczynski J.A.B. JKD Akademie Berlin + IMAG e.V. http://www.jkdberlin.de "Harder - Faster - More Intention" --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:22:53 +0100 (BST) From: jonbroster@another.co.uk To: eskrima digest < eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Kicks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi BUSHIDO as a combat sport is a form of shoot wrestling, like Shooto or Pancrase, only the fights are not real, they are fixed ,like pro-wrestling, only made to look real. Their "top guy" was Takada who took two very heavy beatings against Rickson a couple of years ago. He beat Mark Coleman, but many suspect that the fight was a work. The sanctioning body for these matches was UWFI which is now defunct, though some of the fighters show up on proper shoot and NHB cards, Kimura is one. Jon There's nothing more dangerous than a blunt knife! http://www.geocities.com/jonbroster -- Personalised email by http://another.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: richard.killick@atisrealweatheralls.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:48:37 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: kicks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Mike I understand from friends I trust in Japan that "Bushido" is fixed, it looks very good and blood sometimes flows. I have trained with some Dutch pro thai boxers (200 lb plus) and they seem to kick harder that my Thai instructor. However my thai instructor drops more people with leg kicks because he kicks more often and hits the sweet spot just about every time. If someone wonders in who has not trained leg kicks (rare these days) they tend to get dropped or stopped by the regular guys due to damage to the legs. Regards Richard Killick "We get to see a fair few martial arts contest now on TV thanks to TSN. Recently they started to show a Japan-based competition called, I believe, "Bushido". Basically strikes, kicks and a lot of wrestling and submission holds. Unfortunately I have always joined the show in progress so I am hazy on details. The guys wear briefs and humungous shin and knee pads. The effect of their low line kicks is devastating, the opponent goes down after about three, or is disabled enough to take a high kick and go down. I do not think that this is a WWF-type of show, these guys look serious." - Disclaimer: This email is confidential to the ordinary user of the email address to which it was addressed and may contain privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender on 020 7338 4000 and delete the message without copying or using for any purpose as to do so may be unlawful. Email is an informal method of communication and is subject to possible data corruption, either accidentally or on purpose. For these reasons it will normally be inappropriate to rely on important information contained on email without obtaining written confirmation, except where we have specifically agreed with you a system of electronic reporting. Please visit our Website at: http://www.atisrealweatheralls.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Patrick Davies To: "'eskrima@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:48:54 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] RE sipanggabiakid (reverse kick) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Message: 2 would it be possible for anyone out there to describe how a sipanggabiakid (reverse kick) of panananjakman is done - target of the kick, part of the foot that hits the target, and the other names for it? __________________________________________________ this reminds me when Guro Inosanto demonstrates the kick and asks where its from and everyone says Muay Thai. He then says its bando and then demonstrates the differences of the kicks from the regions. Its hard to tell them apart. One of the major differences I always clung to was the secondary motion. Because Thai boxers tend to be doing it for a Spartan fight competition the kick returns back to the point of origin. In the filipino version, the kick might stay and stick to the leg so when the foot plants itself back on the ground the opponent is nearer. Perhaps the kenjit seiko (sp) silat technique might give the picture to those who know the technique? For me, the difference of the kicks of that region to others is that the knee isnt the pivot point. The supporting foot initiates the movement first by pivoting and the kick is a consequence of the mechanics. This is the same (imho) as the swing of the stick where you torque the body first to swing the stick hard. Many kickboxing sytems tend to raise the knee first before pivoting on the foot and so generate a snap with the kick. This is different to what I have seen with the FMA kick which tends to hit with the whole body behind it. The main difference and I beg to pardon any ignorance on my part, is that the shin contacts more the frontal part of the thigh and not the side. To hit the side requires a bigger arc and therefore is prone to the 'theep' defence. Hitting the front of the thigh not only injures but affects the balance of the opponent making riposte less likely. __________________________________________________ Message: 3 We also get to see a lot of Muy Thai. These are international competitions, so presumably no rabbits. Their low line kicks also hurt, but they do not seem to disable as dramatically as they do in Bushido. What is the reason for this difference? Is it the shin pads and consequent ability to unleash full power without hurting one's shins? Is it the effect of the hard surface of the shin pad? I have always believed that the shin conditioning in Muy Thai fighters is such that they can kick tree trunks. Also, there are not many human body parts harder than the shins. Is it that the Bushido guys seem bigger and generally more powerful? Mike Koblic, In shoot they tend to corkscrew the leg more with the kick. This brings the leg back in a direction that is safer from being caught. The type of kick is different from the charachteristic Muay Thai kick but adapts to the environment it is in. I cant comment on your particular point to much except to say that to assume that all these guys train to the intensity of a thai in their particular area is perhaps wrong. Watching many competitions im surprised how little some work their standing fighting skills. I cornered someone not so long ago who fought a guy who couldn't punch or kick and had only strength to wrestle with. One that was sussed the game plan changed to take in more time standing and to punish their weakness. An interesting kick used by Erik Paulsoin for example is the inner crescent kick. When in the clinch/plumb, erik uses the kick against the thigh in the same way as a curved knee. To me this kick perhaps had lost its combat relevance a while ago but a new adaptation showed me its effectiveness. Any mistakes are my own and shouldn't be associated to any of the above referenced.__________________________________________________ Pat Davies --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Don Edwards" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 13:46:00 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] ESkrima in NYC Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Silvester, check out our web site.. www.imafit.com , I live in SI but have my school in NJ and have some SI students training with me.. email me or give us a call (# is on the web site) if your interested.. Thanks, Don "Greetings all, I'm a member of the Society for Creative Anachronism and I've recently become interested in Escrima/Sinawali, so if I bring up anything that has been asked before, PLEASE bear with me and guide me in the correct direction. I'm looking for instruction in Escrima/Sinawali in the New York City area. I live in Brooklyn, work in White Plains and occasionally work in Staten Island on Saturdays, so anything in those areas would be prefered. Silvester Burchardt East Kingdom - SCA m.k.a. Douglas Shannon" _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:06:04 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Silat in Mass Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Just a reminder to New England folks that Pak Victor deThouars will be teaching an introduction to Pentjak Silat Sangat Serak at Mark Davis' Boston Martial Arts Center on September 28 & 29 10-5pm. Sangat Serak is a distillation of the traditional PS Serak. It is ideal for those who want to incorporate the principles of Serak into their own systems. Email me at buddytripp@lungmen.org for more details. Salamat Hormat Buddy Tripp State Director/Massachusetts VDT Academy/Pentjak Silat Serak --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Sidney525@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:58:07 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Martial arts/ boxing instructional posters Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Is there a source out there for instructional (how-to) posters on martial arts and boxing. I have a few from the 70/80's with JKD and the Tonfa. And I thought I saw a few recently on savate, but have not had any luck on a web search salamat Sid --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:15:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Jesse Manibusan To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Shins kicks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Message: 3 > From: "Michael Koblic" > To: "Eskrima digest" > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:50:47 -0700 > Subject: [Eskrima] Kicks > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Regarding low line kicks, can anybody explain this: > > We get to see a fair few martial arts contest now on TV > thanks to TSN. > Recently they started to show a Japan-based competition > called, I believe, > "Bushido". Basically strikes, kicks and a lot of > wrestling and submission > holds. Unfortunately I have always joined the show in > progress so I am hazy > on details. The guys wear briefs and humungous shin and > knee pads. The > effect of their low line kicks is devastating, the > opponent goes down after > about three, or is disabled enough to take a high kick > and go down. I do not > think that this is a WWF-type of show, these guys look > serious. I have never seen this before. Sounds interesting. > We also get to see a lot of Muy Thai. These are > international competitions, > so presumably no rabbits. Their low line kicks also hurt, > but they do not > seem to disable as dramatically as they do in Bushido. YES!!! they do HURT!!!!! > What is the reason for this difference? Is it the shin > pads and consequent > ability to unleash full power without hurting one's > shins? Is it the effect > of the hard surface of the shin pad? I have always > believed that the shin > conditioning in Muy Thai fighters is such that they can > kick tree trunks. Yes, I don't recommend training that way but your shins get really tough when you train Muay Thai regularly. > Also, there are not many human body parts harder than the > shins. Is it that > the Bushido guys seem bigger and generally more powerful? It may have something to do with perhaps the larger size and strength of the Bushido guys. However, Muay Thai fighters are generally ultra-slim and small. But ALL are STRONG. I have heard reliable stories of 120 lb. fighters kicking 190 lb. fighters once in the leg and dropping them. Has anyone seen Yaw Yan in action? There is very little information on it on the web but from the documentation, it seems these guys are even tougher than Muay Thai guys. I also hear that there are many other SE Asian countries that have shin kicks as part of their kicking art. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] list slow ? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net just fyi... The list may be a bit slow thru the end of the weekend. A few people are flying in to work on Inayan Serrada, so time will be busy. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest