Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 03:02:00 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #325 - 3 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. More Yaw Yan comments (Jesse Manibusan) 2. De la Hoya wins (Ray Terry) 3. Yaw Yan (TABULA RAZA) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 11:45:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jesse Manibusan To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] More Yaw Yan comments Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 20:12:33 -0700 > From: T David Reyes > To: > Subject: [Eskrima] Sayaw ng Kamatayan > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > > Last issue Jesse asked: "Has anyone seen Yaw Yan in > action? There is very > > little information on it on the web but from the > documentation, it seems > > these guys are even tougher than Muay Thai guys." > > > > I was given a very nice tour of a Yawyan school in Cebu > in 1989 and those > > guys are tough as nails. Their heavy "banana" style bag > was six feet tall, > > had a solid wood four by four down it center for a > core and it was filled > > with broken bits of linoleum flooring for "padding". > > > Worth checking out at your nearby Filipino video store is > an excellent > Philippine made movie showcasing the talents of the > Manila Yaw Yan group, of > which includes Raul "Boy" Fernandez as the star of the > film. The movie(s) as > titled are "Ako ang Sasagupa- Patay kung Patay", and the > sequel "Ako and > Sasagupa pt.2- Wala Akong Binuhay na Kaaway". Thanks for the tip. I rarely go into a Filipino video store but I will make an exception to see this movie. > Message: 4 > From: "R.J. Marcaida" > To: > Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:00:58 -0400 > Subject: [Eskrima] Re: yawyan > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Tom, > So you got to feel the Yaw Yan bag? The first time I > hit one of those my > shin hurt like hell despite coming from a Muay Thai back > ground. Those bags > are good to train with when you are training for a fight > , but not I > wouldn't advice it for everyday use. Your body pays for > it in the long run. > It would've been nice if you were able to visit the > Manila gym. The YY there > is a little bit different and the bag is even worse. > With regards to whether YY practitioners are tougher > than Muay thai is a > matter of opinion. When we fought Muay thai, we weren't > suppose to fight > them head on. They live in the gym , we didn't . It was a > 1 on 1 basis. Like > they say, it's not the style but the student. I'd say we > had more endurance > than Muay Thai fighters but not necessarily tougher. Interesting comments. Do Yaw Yan fighters use knees and elbows in the same way Muay Thai guys do? One of my favorite Muay thai fighters was Diesel Noi. So-called king of the knees who used all weapons up until the later rounds where all he did was use his knees. I understand that he was very tall for a Thai and could practically knee someone in the face without so much as needing the opponent drop his chin to shorten the distance to his knee. My days of ripped abs are long gone (for now!) but the knee and elbow regimen really helped the body shed every unnecessary ounce of fat. Thats what I (not so fondly) remember about the knees. I would really like to see Yaw Yan up-close. Does anyone practice it in Hawaii? > Message: 5 > From: Ray Terry > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 18:21:35 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: [Eskrima] hard bags, was yawyan > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > > So you got to feel the Yaw Yan bag? The first time > I hit one of those my > > shin hurt like hell despite coming from a Muay Thai > back ground. > > Reminds me a story I like to tell on a friend... *** SNIP *** Ray your story sounds like the first time I went to the Muay Thai gym. Their bags had sand in them but after many months the sand settles and becomes hard as a rock. I think I almost crushed my upper and lower molars in an attempt to hide the pain and grit it out. The Muay Thai instructor was so polite...big smile... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 17:46:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] De la Hoya wins Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net De la Hoya wins by TKO over Vargas LAS VEGAS, Nevada - Oscar de la Hoya retained his World Boxing Association belt in a 11th round technical knockout over challenger Fernando Vargas on Saturday. De la Hoyas's victory in the 154-pound category likewise earned him Vargas' World Boxing Association belt. The win came after de la Hoya, nicknamed the Golden Boy, landed a series of punches to his opponent's head after cornering Vargas in the 11th. Earlier in the round, de la Hoya also knocked Vargas down with a left hook combined with several body punches. Seeing Vargas bleeding from a cut under his right eye, referee Joe Cortez came in and stopped the fight in the middle of the round. With his triumph over Vargas, the 29-year old de la Hoya improved his record to 35-2 with 28 wins coming by way of a knockout decision. He also stands to pocket at least $14 million from the fight. Vargas, meantime, will earn $6 million and a record of 22-2. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 15:45:59 -1000 (HST) From: TABULA RAZA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Yaw Yan Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Kumusta, About meeting the Yaw Yan guys, I was pretty impressed to. I visited one in Pasay City in the back of some marketplace. Felt kind of "Rocky-ish" since it was in the back upstairs, and all around was a bit grungy. In my broken Tagalog I began talking to them. The old man who greeted me was kind, and commented on my sorry Tagalog. He said that he'd teach me to fight and teach me Tagalog. I hadn't figured it out until I was about to leave that I was talking to the originator (as he likes to call himself), Master Nap Fernandez. He told me to punch the bag which I did. Didn't move much. The guys told me it was filled with lumber, which I kind of figured, since it really never left its place. Though it had a strip of rubber non-skid padding for knuckles, so the layman wouldn't screw up his hands. All of them had the Yaw Yan insignia, "burned on with a branding iron!" And some of course, like Tom said had the Yaw Yan tattoos, one guy also had it on his bicep. A younger fellow had the insignia burned on when he was eight. From what I understood, he was an adopted son, and now the burned on tattoo is the biggest one in the gym. In initiation they say they usually beat the crap out of you by punching and kicking you in the stomach while they brand you. Alot of the top Philippine Muay Thai guys, were former Yaw Yan, Master Nap says, persuaded by money to give up the art. Although Yaw Yan does fight tournaments, it also is an art that includes some forms of grappling, and stickfighting. Master Nap didn't seem to impressed with most styles of arnis, though he liked the way I swung it, after he asked me to show him. All the guys I saw (and there were only a few at a time on the bags - since there wre only two - the Shaw location was being renovated), were practicing more on the perfection of their techniques at the time I was there, kicking and punching, some pretty nice, deceptive and powerful kicks I must say, though at first I wasn't impressed since the bag didn't move much. Then I got around to punching it myself full force, and then I understood why - it's freakin' hard and heavy! All of the guys were cordial, though assertive too, since I was an outsider. But above all, humble guys just wanting to do their thing. Their gym music . . .ha,ha, what else? Rocky - "Eye of the Tiger." And though Master Nap might seem a little rough, he's a nice guy, an a pretty good artist too, from what I hear, since that's his other form of income. It's good to train with them if you can, since they are sincere guys, and it's affordable to the U.S. guy, but it certainly is not an art you take lightly. I mean, if you are good enough to hang with them, then you must get the Yaw Yan tattoo burned on. -Erwin Legaspi "All I have ever longed for in my life . . . a vision of God." - 9th and 10th century Sufi mystic Mansur Al-Hallaj "Intellect and intelligence do not go together. Intelligence is obtained only when the heart and mind reach an agreement." - Jiddu Krishnamurti --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest