Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 07:16:14 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #341 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Review of Bram Frank's Gunting Knife Seminars in NY State (Absolom Jones) 2. Re:YawYan kicks (R.J. Marcaida) 3. Classes in Pennslyvania (Mark Lynn) 4. Op-Ed: Dulled Minds (Ed Lam) 5. Seminar with Master Terry (sgt evans) 6. Classes in Pennsylvania corection (Mark Lynn) 7. Email Virus (Taylor, William S. (YL5) ) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Absolom Jones" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 18:19:16 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Review of Bram Frank's Gunting Knife Seminars in NY State Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I would like to report that I attended two Gunting Knife Seminars featuring Master Bram Frank, Chief instructor of the Common Sense self Defense/ Street Combat Arnis group and the designer of the Gunting Knife. Saturday's seminar (September 28) was a special invitation only program for LEOs and the Sunday program was open to the general public. The Saturday program was dedicated to the using the impact and joint locking features of the Gunting to assist LEOs with bringing people into complience and handcuffing procedures. A number of the LEOs in attendence were somewhat skeptical of the Gunting at first. As the seminar moved forward, they began to alter their opinions, particularly when they were getting 'tagged and bitten' by Master Frank, and one another as well. The 'logic' of the Gunting is quite simple, strike nerve centers, muscles and joints to effect a response and then move on to another point until you have secured a lock and/or take down. This seminar was also used to introduce people in this area - Buffalo, NY - to the newest incarnation of the Gunting series, the CRMIPT - Close Range, Medium IMpact Tool. This Gunting configuration has a blue handle, a dulled, non-cutting blade and the raised edges on the live blade on the 1. the ramp, 2. the head and 3. the Persian Butt. This hybrid configuration is an ideal law enforcement personel because it gives one all of the impact and locking qualities of the live blade version without the possibilty of having someone cut by a police officer. It is far more powerful than the training drone, which in the hands of a good jiu-jitsu or chin na person is quite a formitable tool for exacting pain complience from an individual. I was very impressed with the presentation by Master Frank. He expalined what he was doing, why he was doing it and the reaction that he was expecting from his opponent, as well as what some possible alternate reactions might be, including the fact that the opponent was not affected by a particular manuever. He was very thorough. The better control that an indiviual has over the basics of stances, stepping and empty hand joint locking the more effective their Gunting techniques appeared to be when working with a partner. Master Frank's approach to the training was to build up from a simple evasion to a stiking counter, to a defense by the attacker to the counter, then to a counter the counter move by the original defender. This simple set of transitions allowed for each individual's own personal art to come out as their understanding of the tool developed. By the end of the seminar, both the LEO's and the invited guests were showing some acquired comfort working with the tool. There were some bruised arms, thumbs and fingers, a couple of people had red marks on their necks, but everyone seemed very pleased with the program. If the sale of gunting training drones and CRMIPT's are indicative of success, then this seminar was a totally successful to the max! The Sunday Seminar was another beautiful event. The audience was, for the most part made up of diffent people than those who had attended the day before. With one exception, all were martial artists and the presentation was similar, yet different. At this seminar the Gunting's unique kinetic opening feature was demonstrated, after the impact and locking features had been explored. It is this feature that make the Gunting truely unique in the world of tactical folding knives. Having the ability to open the knife against another person's body or an inanimate object is absolutely fascinating and scarey! Several times during this seminar, we were admonished Not To Open the Gunting Against Your OWN Leg!!! One look at the difference between the live blade and the training blade made it obvious as to why one should follow that advice and heed the warning. Equally interesting to me was the mix of martial arts styles represented at this seminar: Shorinji Kempo, Isshin Ryu, Danzen Jiu-jitsu, Paradigm Kenpo, Independent Escrima/Arnis, Plum Bloosom Preying Mantis, Master's Kempo, Liu Seong Kuntao Silat, Wing Chun, Goju Ryu and Krav Maga. Conspicuous by their absence were the local Modern Arnis players and the Tracy Kenpo players at the Sunday event. I would like to note that Master Frank, announced that Dr. Jerome Barber and Sensei Michael Carvelli are the CSSD/SC representatives for NY State. Dr. Barber, was also recognized as the Gunting Knife Certification Officer for NYS. All in all, this was a seminal event in terms of knife training and utilization in this area of NYS. I am very pleased that I had the opportunity to attend both programs. I want to thank Sensei Carvelli, for sponsoring me at the Saturday seminar. The Sunday seminar was every bit as good as the previous day's event, yet it was different and helpful in terms of content and direction. Having attended two of Dr. Barber's, 'empty hand, pocket stick, kubaton & gunting' seminar programs, i was familiar enough with the Gunting Knife to take full advantage of what Master Frank was teaching, but there is nothing like seeing the innoventer, playing with the tool. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "R.J. Marcaida" To: Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:35:34 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Re:YawYan kicks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > It is interesting to note the in Dan Zan Ryu Jujitsu there is a technique > called Yama Arashi which translates to "Mountain Storm" in English. One > feature of this technique is a leg reap using a back kick like motion. This > seems a bit more than coincidental. One therefore wonders who got what from > who. > Dave Sheehy Greeetings, Although YawYan is a footfighting system it's kicks are derived from arnis (eskrima,etc.) This simply means whatever angle your stick is coming from , train your legs to be able to do that angle w/c is why some kicks are hard to execute. Being that it's kicks are derived from the sticks, no one copied what from whom. Master Nap's explanation to me was , a rattan stick moves way faster than a 4x4 or a baseball bat. Without the stick our hands are our sticks and our legs are our 4x4. Obviously , the 4x4 is heavier therefore more powerful, however slow unlike the rattan. His thinking is, if we can train our legs to be as fast as our hands , imagine the kind of weapon one can have with his legs. Some people say YY is a cross breed betweeen taekwondo (in speed) and Muay thai (in power). It is quite complicated to explain the techniques behind YawYan. You just have to see it to really appreciate it. God Bless, Rj Marcaida --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Mark Lynn" To: Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 04:25:34 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Classes in Pennslyvania Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello everyone I am going to be up in Pennsylvania this next week. East Strasburg area (near the east border of the state). Anybody have any FMA classes in that area that I could drop in at? Background is Modern Arnis, Kombatan Arnis, some Inosanto kali, and some other instruction in the FMA. I enjoy it all. Thanks Mark --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:10:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Lam To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Op-Ed: Dulled Minds Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net My grammar is not perfect. However, I find it ironic that an essay, which complains about the low level of education, is full of run on sentences. <g> Ed ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "sgt evans" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 14:21:20 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Seminar with Master Terry Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Several of us in local law enforcement had an excellent training session with Master Terry last night. Wer'e looking forward to more tonite. Can not wait! Bill Evans _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Mark Lynn" To: Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 17:26:35 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Classes in Pennsylvania corection Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sorry but I posted my request for info on any classes in the area I'm going to be visiting next week at 4:00am this morning. Not wanting to wake my wife I didn't check the map for the correct spelling of the place near where we will be. (At 4:00am I wasn't really thinking either) We'll be in the East Stroudsburg area, that is in the eastern part of the state near the border of Pennsylvania and New Jersey. North of Allen town and Philadelphia. If there are any classes or instructors in the area, I would enjoy trying to get together for a class or possible workout. My background is primarily Presas Arnis, although I'd be glad to train in any system of FMA. Mark --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Taylor, William S. (YL5) " To: "'eskrima@martialartsresource.net'" Cc: 'Michael Barnes' Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 07:54:18 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Email Virus Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I had two emails this morning that the scanner deleted because they each contained a virus. I tried to reply to the senders to inform them, but for some reason the emails didn't go through. The two emails contained the same virus. This was the message about each from the scanner: ****** Message from InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT ****** ** WARNING! Attached file ... contains: WORM_BUGBEAR.A virus Attempted to clean the file but it is not cleanable. It has been deleted. One message was about someone looking for a Yaw-Yaw school from Bill McG [Tuhonbill@abcdistributing.com], and the other was about Man and Woman of the Year in FMA Magazine from Kyud [kyud@mta10.optamail.com]. I hope this posting assists them and others who may read it before opening the messages. Respectfully, Bill Taylor www.inayaneskrima.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest