Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 07:51:03 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #360 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Press Release: 1ST ANNUAL GATHERING OF FILIPINO MARTIAL ARTISTS NOV. 2, 2002 (Elrik Jundis) 2. On Living Languages & the Tagalog vs. Other Philippine Languages Debate (Elrik Jundis) 3. Wheless in Virginia (kalkiusa@netscape.net) 4. [Alibata] Re: Indigenous groups (Elrik Jundis) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Elrik Jundis" To: "Norma Odion Botanbacal" Cc: "Matt Esparrago" Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 04:09:35 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Press Release: 1ST ANNUAL GATHERING OF FILIPINO MARTIAL ARTISTS NOV. 2, 2002 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net NEWS RELEASE FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE ON MONDAY, OCTOBER 21, 2002 CONTACT: Elrik Jundis (415) 601-2735 1ST ANNUAL GATHERING OF FILIPINO MARTIAL ARTISTS "A Day of Play and Community: A Gathering of Filipino Martial Artists" SAN FRANCISCO, California, October 21, 2002 - The School of Pilipino Mastery Arts, extends an invitation to all community members, students and Pilipino cultural enthusiasts for the first "Day of Play and Community: Gathering of Filipino Martial Artists, to be held on November 2nd, 2002 at the James Denman Middle School gym. Registration information is available through www.pilipinoma.com/gathering or by emailing FMAgathering@pilipinoma.com. This all day event celebrates the diversity of the Philippine martial culture through a series of workshops and demonstrations from a wide variety of martial arts masters and instructors from through out Northern California and beyond. 1. To allow current practitioners of Filipino Martial Arts to come together as community and learn and share with each other. 2. To increase awareness of and participation in all Filipino Martial Arts. 3. To enhance and expand a positive world view of Filipinos. Scheduled to teach & demonstrate are: Professor Dan Anderson Modern Arnis 80 Gura Michelle Bautista Kamatuuran School of Kali Guro Kevin Batiste Corto Cadena Visayan Escrima Guro Reginald Burford Doce Pares, Modern Arnis, Balintawak Master Robert Castro Eskabo Daan Master Rodel Dagooc Remy Presas Modern Arnis Master Arthur González Tenio's DeCuerdas Escrima Guro Ken Ingram Corto Cadena Visayan Escrima Guro Joel Juanitas Bahala Na Filipino Martial Arts Guro Elrik Jundis Kali Ilustrisimo, School of Pilipino Mastery Arts Maestro/Guro Dexter Labanog Larga Mano, The Giron Method *Sijo Raynard Lozada Kouchi Kali Kar Professor Max Pallen Senkotiros, Pallen’s Martial Arts Punong Guro Remy Presas, Jr. Remy Presas Modern Arnis *Guro Mario Quiroz Sikamilion, Corto Cadena Visayan Escrima Master Darren Tibon Serrada Escrima, Angels Disciples Escrima Association * denotes tentatively scheduled This community event is open to practitioners of all experience and skill levels. Family members, spectators and those curious about getting started in martial arts, are especially welcomed to attend. Maraming Salamat Po, Elrik G. Jundis Guro/Director School of Pilipino Mastery Arts (415) 601-2735 elrik.jundis@pilipinoma.com http://www.pilipinoma.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Elrik Jundis" To: Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 04:10:00 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] On Living Languages & the Tagalog vs. Other Philippine Languages Debate Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I wrote this for another list I am on and thought it would relevant here. It is in response to an ongoing dialogue about the official Pilipino language and it's impact on language usage throughout the Philippines. Elrik -----Original Message----- From: Elrik Jundis [mailto:elrik.jundis@PILIPINOMA.COM] Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 12:04 PM To: Alibata@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Alibata] On Living Languages & the Tagalog vs. Other Philippine Languages Debate I think we are in agreement. Living languages have a life of there own. Organizations and individuals can impact how groups of use a language, but it is ultimately the end user who takes it on in daily life. I also agree that their are power dynamics at play in the use of Pilipino/Tagalog in the Philippines. Whether these dynamics are positive or negative depend on intent and follow through. I think too often people get stuck on looking at what was done or is being done to us (the victem view point), vs. taking advantage of what we currently have and planning for what we want next (the actualized view point). A clear example of this is the verbal mudslinging of political candidates. They spend more time complaining about the other candidates and his issues vs. creating new opportunities or taking risk with new initiatives. In my travels in the Philippines interacting with members of the middle class. I have found that these Visayans speak better English than the average middle class Tagalog speakers. I think that this may have something to do with the fact that English provides an air of superiority when interacting with Tagalog/Pilipino speakers. Otherwise the Visayan would appear backward or "bakya" with their limited or rudimentary grasp of Tagalog/Pilipino when living in a predominantly Tagalog speaking region like Metro Manila or the Filipino Communities of the San Francisco Bay Area. If you are in the lower economic social strata and you don't live in a Tagalog speaking region, chances are you can't even speak Tagalog. All that said, the real issue is how to create and expand a demand for the ongoing use of these other languages. Another issue is how to best record and preserve what is dieing. Some of my family is from Dipolog and Dapitan in Zambuanga. They speak Visayan (Cebuano), Chavacano (A pidgin Spanish, not unlike the Jamaican Patois in relationship to English), English, and Tagalog (which they really learned to speak now that they moved to the US). The use of Chavacano is dieing in this area. I don't see it as a sad thing, just a natural death. Though I would like to see it preserved in some form. All of this brings up another issue, "What context do you create when reviving a cultural practice that has died". I bring this up because this email list is about the baybayin or alibata. Now unless we are Mangyan or one of the other groups that have continuously used baybayin; we are studying, and or using something in a vacuum outside of the original context. This is similar to Filipino American college students performing a mountain province dance in a 3-5" minute performance piece. In the original context these dances were never performance pieces, they were participatory rituals that lasted all day or for days. Still the point is for both groups (even though the practice has changed) a context of community, pride, and self-expression runs paralel. Both groups continue their practices because it empowers and reinforces their self-image. Today I know of several variant Alibata systems that are in use by various Filipino Martial Arts Organizations. I also know of street artist aka taggers who have included Alibata variants in their design. These might be viewed as radical changes from the original bamboo carvings to city walls and spray paint. I know that this might be upsetting for some. My point is that these varients are alive, growing, and spreading. For those of us who teach and promote arts my question is "What context are you promoting and sending out into the world". Next question is "Are your practices and actions consistent with your intent?" Elrik Jundis School of Pilipino Mastery Arts (415) 601-2735 www.pilipinoma.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 10:49:01 -0400 From: kalkiusa@netscape.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Wheless in Virginia Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Can anyone comment on Crhis Whelees as JKD instructor (in Virginia)? Thanks. __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Elrik Jundis" To: Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 04:10:05 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] [Alibata] Re: Indigenous groups Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Howdy Gang, Sending you a sample email from the "Alibata" email group. This group has several PhD. in areas relating Philippine pre-history and anthropology. This list also has several knowledgable lay folks. If this sounds like your cup of tea, I highly recommend subscribing to this group. Use the links below if you would like to subscribe. Elrik G. Jundis Guro/Director School of Pilipino Mastery Arts (415) 601-2735 elrik.jundis@pilipinoma.com http://www.pilipinoma.com -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence A. Reid [mailto:reid@hawaii.edu] Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 5:11 PM To: Alibata@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Alibata] Re: Indigenous groups Nono, > Laurie, > What is your score on the migration of the Proto Manobo to Mindanao? Does > the > evidence that they entered via southern Mindanao, as this is the point > that > is said to have the greatest divergence of the Manobo family, still holds > true? > I am also curious as to the alleged "ties" between the Mamanwa and the > Negrito/Aeta. A German ethnographer who is currently doing fieldwork among > the Mamanwa of Surigao, and who has also worked previously among the Aeta, > says he hasn't found any links in their languages. > Nono I do not believe that Manobo has the greatest divergence in the south of Mindanao. There are three subroups of Manobo, Northern, Central and Southern, each of which seems to show about the same internal diversity. The Northern subroup contains Kagayanen, spoken as you probably know, in the Visayas, and most of the other Manobo languages are scattered throughout northern and central Mindanao, in the provinces of Agusan and Bukidnon, although displaced along the northern coasts by the influx of Cebuano speakers. The various dialects of Southern Cotabato Manobo and Koronadal Manobo are relatively close to one another, almost mutually intelligible, and do not give evidence of thousands of years of separation. Of course the really divergent languages there, the Southern Mindanao group, which includes Tboli, Blaan, and Tiruray are not Manobo languages, but these have been heavily influenced by languages in the south of the Philippines with which they have had centuries of contact, prior to their being pushed into the mountainous regions away from the coast. So there is no evidence of Proto-Manobos having entered the Philippines from the south, nor of being more closely related to languages in the south of the Philippines than they are to other Philippine languages. The evidence points to their being descendants of a fairly early settlement group in northern Mindanao which diversified and sent settlers further into the central and southern parts of the Philippines under the pressures of population increase and the desire to find new sites to establish farming communities. Regarding the Mamanwas and the Aetas (and other Negrito groups of Luzon), at least one geneticist has claimed that the presence of certain unique alleles indicates a separation of over 20,000 years. This is one reason for there being no obvious linguistic similarity between them. The other of course, is that Negritos gave up their original languages during early association with the particular Austronesian group who moved into their neighborhood, so that they all now speak Austronesian languages, related to their neighbors to varying degrees. The Mamanwa speak a Central Philippine language, related to Cebuano and the others of that group, while the Aetas of western Luzon speak Sambalic languages, related to Sambal and Kapampangan. I could find no substrata of possible old Negrito forms linking the two groups, although there is a small group of words which suggest possible old Negrito words shared among the several of the Negrito groups of Luzon. Culturally there are a few practices which are found among Negrito groups both in Mindanao and Luzon, discussed by Marcelito Maceda in his "The culture of the Mamanua (northeast Mindanao) as compared with that of other Negritos of Southeast Asia," which I reviewed in the Journal of the Polynesian Society 75:243-44 (1966). Laurie ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Home Selling? 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