Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:41:04 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #366 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: still here (Kes41355@aol.com) 2. RE:open hand defense against kicks (Philipp Hammer) 3. Ignore any and all attachments (Ray Terry) 4. Lifting one's leg, a.k.a. kicking (Marc Denny) 5. Sikaran (Ray Terry) 6. paladin press (Sidney525@aol.com) 7. Modern Arnis pink book (Ray Terry) 8. The Filipino Sword Cane, but in TKD Times ??? (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Kes41355@aol.com Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 08:03:09 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: still here Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 10/24/02 5:03:40 AM US Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > HEY RAY WHAT"S HAPPENED HERE!!!!!!!! where is everyone I leave for a while > and everyone goes away. Where is Doc, Mike Z, Marc, Dr. J, Kim, Mrs J, > Phil, > Al, GM Gat, GT Bill, and the rest???? > > Hi Rocky, I'm still here, just been busy with work. We're going through a period where we have a high turnover, and it seems I can't get away once I'm there. Ray, I envy your retirement...;-). Kim --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Philipp Hammer" To: Subject: RE:[Eskrima] open hand defense against kicks Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 19:45:53 +0200 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi everybody, In a Seminar with Suro Inay, there was a defence against a roundhouse kick. Ellbow against the foot like secoh. The Target is not the shin. Oh, my english, I'm from germany. I mean between toes and shin. Step back or angle out. Parry the kick thru and do at the same time a limb destruction with the ellbow. Timing and distance are not easy. But it worked fine for me. Philipp Inayan Eskrima Aachen Germany __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Yahoo! präsentiert als offizieller Sponsor das Fußball-Highlight des Jahres: - http://www.FIFAworldcup.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Ignore any and all attachments Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Just a quick reminder to all. Never open an attachment from ANY email list, this one or any other. Moderated email lists should never forward attachments to subscribers. Thus any email containing an attachment appearing to be from our list is an obvious spam or a virus. Just delete it. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:57:44 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Lifting one's leg, a.k.a. kicking Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: Concerning kicking versus weapons: Conventional FMA wisdom is often stated as "You'll be sorry if you kick". Actually this may be a bit sloppy on our part here in the US; it may be more precise to say "You'll be sorry if you kick high". The way it was explained to me when I began was that the FMA had kicks (Panunjakman- sp?) but that they looked different ("ugly") because they were designed to be done on the low line in conjunction weapons on the high line. Thus a high kick was to the bladder/groin, a mid kick was to the thigh/knee and low kicks were to the shin and foot. Kicks that were waist high and higher were considered foolish most of the time. In the Dog Brother experience we have come to see kicks quite often. In the beginning kicks were relatively random and serendipitous as versus cultivated and purposeful. Nevertheless, as Ray correctly remembers there was one fight wherein a TKD looking straight kick to the solar plexus dropped one fighter who was looking to bullrush. Hell, we even had a spinning back kick drop someone in a knife fight! A new era began as Salty Dog turned to Krabi Krabong to counter the Kali-BJJ era that I began in September 1990 (i.e. well before the first UFC). At first, particularly in the open spaces of a DB Gathering in the park, it was hard for him to put the KK kicking game together, especially in the presence of adversaries crazed with the newness of the BJJ revolution. But he worked it backyard in New Mexico (at 7000 feet btw which always helped when they came down to sea level in Hermosa Beach to fight!) with his students Sleeping Dog and Rain Dog. In the confines of the indoor space in which they trained, it became easier to experience success-- including many kicks to the ribs. Then in 1996? they invited the Hermosa clan on out to Santa Fe and showed good results with their kicking. Since then KK's influence, including kicking has spread throughout the DBs-- in blended form of course. One can now see the footwork KK crashes combined with Kali siniwali simultaneous roof/thrust stickwork. KK, including its kicking, is now part of the DBMA curriculum. Low line Inosanto Blend Panaunjakman kicks are part of the curriculum as well. Forgive me the advertisement, but the timing is just too propitious to pass up :-) We finished the KK last night and will have DBMA #5 "KK featuring Ajarn Salty Dog" up for sale on our website tomorrow or Monday. A preview clip can be found at http://www.dogbrothers.com/index1.htm Concerning kicking versus FMA empty hands: In DBMA kicks are dealt with by Inosanto Blend destructions, agile bilateral footwork on a particular grid (this grid will be introduced in the Siniwali video which we shot last week-- thanks for the assist Raw Dog!--) and the Illustrisimo Cross step-- the empty hand application of which was briefly covered in DBMA#3 "Combining Stick & Footwork". The curriculum is rounded out with the KK responses-- the responses of Muay Thai, which is a sport offshoot of KK, look very similar. Woof, Guro Crafty --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Sikaran Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Speaking of kicking and kicking high, something below I noticed on the web. Two things of interest... They consistently missppelll {sic} Philippine and this story sounds somewhat similar to the game of Taekkyon from Korea, save Taekkyon is older. Ray ========================================================================== Sikaran in the Phillipines Sikaran is the Filipino art of foot fighting having originated amoungst peasant farmers in the northern Phillipines sometime in the 19th century. In the days when Sikaran was practiced in it's purest form two player's would compete within a circle drawn on the ground, the winner was declared by the player who successfully applied a technique to the head. Today Sikaran is regarded as a fully fledged martial art with an international reputation for it's aboundence of kicking techniques and practicality. Sikaran became popular throughout the world in the late 1950's and early 1960's when it's practioners began winning world titles and putting on a display of kicking techniques the like of which had never been wittnessed. This lead to some of the more traditional karate styles adopting some of it's kicking techiques, in particular the Biakid (spinning heel kick). --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Sidney525@aol.com Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:36:03 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] paladin press Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Paladin press has free shipping til the end of the year. Also, they have some new stuff that may be of interest, 2 new muay thai books and Bob Orlando's new video set www.paladin-press.com Sid --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Modern Arnis pink book Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Just found a copy of Remy Presas' Modern Arnis 'pink book' from 1974. Interesting old pics and brief descriptions of other styles of arnis fighting. Those being Figure 8, Rompida, Abaniko, Banda y Banda, Up and Down, and Redonda or "X" Movement. Seems to be a more complete book than the 1983 Ohara publication. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] The Filipino Sword Cane, but in TKD Times ??? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net fwiw, the recent issue of Taekwondo Times has a short article on "Stick of Death: The Filipino Sword Cane". By Hal Jones. Not exactly sure why it is appearing in TKD Times instead of FMA Magazine or Inside Kung Fu, but there it is... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest