Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:13:05 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #371 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. training in the philippines (gordon walker) 2. The Sun and the Moon (Ray Terry) 3. The Sun and the Moon (Ray Terry) 4. Re: comments on Kuntao (Ray Terry) 5. Re: Remy's 1974 book (Ernest Westbrook) 6. Re: Cinco Teros (Ernest Westbrook) 7. Forums (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 02:54:00 -0500 (EST) From: gordon walker To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] training in the philippines Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hello all, Where can i find info on training camps, seminars, and schools in the Phillipines??? I would like to have something more than a brief session in Luneta park when I go. I would probably be staying on Luzon for the whole time I'm there. I've been looking for about two hours and can only find a web site for yawyan. Also, the fma database doesnt seem to be working right now. Cant find much without it. Hopefully the website isn't kaput!!!!! Any replies with some info would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Gordon --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 07:56:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] The Sun and the Moon Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The Sun and the Moon[1] Mandaya (Midanao) The Sun and the Moon were married, but the Sun was very ugly and quarrelsome. One day he becamee angry at thc Moon and started to chase her. She ran very fast until she was some distance ahead of him, when she grew tired and he almost caught her. Ever since he has been chasing her, at times almost reaching her, and again falling far behind. The first child of the Sun and Moon was a large star, and he was like a man. One time the Sun becoming angry at the Star, cut him up into small pieces and scattered him over the whole sky just as a woman scatters rice, and ever since there have been many Stars. Another child of the Sun and Moon was a gigantic crab.[1] He still lives and is so powerful that every time he opens and closes his eyes there is a flash of lightning. Most of the time the crab lives in a large hole in the bottom of the Sea, and when he is there we have high tide; but when he leaves the hole, the waters rush in and there is low tide. His moving about also causes great waves on the surface of the sea. The crab is qarrelsome like his father; and he sometimes becomes so angry with his mother, the Moon, that he tries to swallow her.[2] When the people on earth, who are fond of the Moon, see the crab near her, they run out of doors and shout and beat on gongs until he is frightened away, and thus the Moon is saved. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [1] The crab was called Tambanokano. [2] An eclipse of the moon. This belief in a monster swallowing moon and the wild efforts to frighten away are very widespread. It is found among the Batak of Palawan and in other parts of Malaysia as well as in the South Sea, Mongol, Chinese, Siamese, and Hindoo mythology. Even in Peu, we find the belief that an evil spirit in the form of a beast was eating the moon, and that in order to scare it the people shouted and yelled and beat their dogs to make them add to the noise. See Karlson, Journal of Religious Psychology, November, 1914, p. 164. Philippine Folk Tales by Mabel Cook Cole (Chicago, 1916) --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 07:56:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] The Sun and the Moon Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The Sun and the Moon[1] Visayan Once upon a time the Sun and the Moon were married, and they had many children who were the stars. The Sun was very fond of this children, but whenever he tried to embrace any of them, he was so hot that he burned them up. This made the Moon so angry that finally she forbade him to touch them again, and he was greatly grieved. One day the Moon went down to the spring to do some washing, and when she left she told the sun that he must not touch any of their children in her absence. When she returned, however, she found that he had disobeyed her, and several of the children in had perished. She was very angry, and picked up a banana tree to strike him, whereupon he threw sand in her face, and to this day you can see the dark marks on the face of the Moon. Then the Sun started to chase her, and they have been going ever since. Sometimes he gets so near that he almost catches her, but she escapes, and by and by she is far ahead again.[2] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [1] These Visayan tales reflect old beliefs covered with a veneer of European ideas. The Visayan still holds to many of the old superstitions, not because he has reasoned them out for himself, but because his ancestors believed them and transmitted them to him in such stories as these. [2] A very old explanatory tale. In a slightly varying from it is found in other parts of the islands. Philippine Folk Tales by Mabel Cook Cole (Chicago, 1916) --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] comments on Kuntao To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:22:45 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > From what I know there are four types of "Kuntao" in the Philippines, and > linear (triangular) patterns are present. > -Chinese with Philippino influence (exple: Kun Tat Tao from Cebu) , no > phil-muslim influence, and they seldom call it Kuntao. > -Kuntao (practiced by phil muslims, silat players say it is closer to Kung > Fu than Silat). > -Kuntao Silat ( practiced by phil muslims70% silat, 30% Kung Fu). > -Maharlika Kuntaw (the form most known to christian philippinos and > foreigners). > > Real phil-muslim Kuntao (and Kuntao silat) is slowly disapearing, the purest > forms can still be found practiced by old men in the small isllands of the > far south (Tawi-Tawi,....) and Borneo. Excellent info. This fits in with what Cecil Quirino (son of Carlos) said about the arts of the Sulu area, calling it Kuntao Silat. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Ernest Westbrook" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:54:51 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Remy's 1974 book Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net : Kes41355@aol.com, wrote in reply to Rocky,  > > HEY RAY WHAT"S HAPPENED HERE!!!!!!!! where is everyone I leave for a while > > and everyone goes away. Where is Doc, Mike Z, Marc, Dr. J, Kim, Mrs J, > > Phil, > > Al, GM Gat, GT Bill, and the rest???? > >Hi Rocky, >I'm still here, just been busy with work. We're going through a period where >we have a high turnover, and it seems I can't get away once I'm there. Ray, >I envy your retirement...;-). > >Kim Several of the above mentioned are still on this digest but not posting and a couple of others are using another forum or digest.  Maybe Rocky will have to write them directly. Ray Terry, wrote: >Just found a copy of Remy Presas' Modern Arnis 'pink book' from 1974. > >Interesting old pics and brief descriptions of other styles of arnis >fighting. Those being Figure 8, Rompida, Abaniko, Banda y Banda, Up and >Down, and Redonda or "X" Movement. > >Seems to be a more complete book than the 1983 Ohara publication. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com  You are absolutely correct Ray, the 1974 Philippines published book in more detailed than the 1983 Ohara publication.  It would be wonderful if the 1974 book were re-published.  It would be helpful also if some of the pretenders to succession had actually read and trained from the older book.  Did I really write that???? EBrook THE Wicked Western Warlock   ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband.  Join now! Click Here --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Ernest Westbrook" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 19:01:27 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Cinco Teros Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Christian.Farinetto@gmx.de, wrote:  >Hello there, > >I am looking for information about the "Cinco Terro" style. >I discovered it a few month ago and it looks very different from the more >"modern" escrima styles l used to practice. There seem to be a great emphasis >on forms, footwork and concentration exercises (actually during 3 weeks I >only learned this things) and training is quite tough (like you don't dodge >it, you take it...). >My Pinoy friends told me it is a very old style, actally they said it is >traditional Arnis. >I wonder if somebody could give me any information about this system >(history, Grandmasters, ...)? > >Is it also practiced outside the RP ? If this is the case I would be glad to >be in touch with other players of Cinco Terro especially in the UK or >France. > >Thanks in advance, >Mabuhay ang Philippines. >Christian Farinetto. I would suggest that you contact Guro Nate Defensor, Gat Puno Abon Baet and PG tom Bolden (AmericanArnis.com).  I have seen all three of these people teaching the 5 strikes methods.  EBrook THE Wicked Western Warlock   ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month.  Try MSN! Click Here --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:11:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] Forums Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Several of the above mentioned are still on this digest but not posting > and a couple of others are using another forum or digest.  Maybe Rocky > will have to write them directly. Yes, politics being what they are, several smaller forums have popped up over the last year or two to focus primarily on one style or group. But we remain open to all, esp to those that inquire and contribute, and don't spam others. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest