Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 19:02:02 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #372 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Article in FMAM, V4 #2 (Absolom Jones) 2. Training in the Philippines (mike guingona) 3. Inayan Eskrima serie of seminars in Paris, France (=?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Fernandez?=) 4. Kicking and stuff (rocky pasiwk) 5. comments on Kuntao (S. H. WEE) 6. Re: Kicking and stuff (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Absolom Jones" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 19:18:39 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Article in FMAM, V4 #2 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello to All, Just had an opportunity to read an article by Dr. Jerome Barber, that was published in the Filipino Martial Arts Magazine, V4 #2 about the usage of the kubaton. It was consisitant with the material that I was taught by Doc at a couple of seminars earlier this past spring and summer. I did not know that he had published this article and I enjoyed reading it. The premise of the article was that some people would like to have a self defense hand tool, but not nessesarily a knife. The kubaton is a good alternate choice according to DocB. His rationle is very solidly presented and he does not disparage the knife, either fixed or folded, he simply offeres an alternative choice of tools. I would love to know if anyone else has seen the article and has a comment or two about the ideas presented. Sincerely, Absolom _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:29:08 -0800 (PST) From: mike guingona To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Training in the Philippines Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Gordon check out www.kombatan.com. Grandmaster Ernesto A. Presas is hosting a training camp in Hinigaran, Negros from 4/23/03-5/07/03. I attended in 2001 and it was fantastic. 6-8 hrs training daily. Hope to see you there. Mike Guingona ===== Michael P. Guingona __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 3 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Fernandez?= To: Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 22:06:56 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] Inayan Eskrima serie of seminars in Paris, France Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Inayan Eskrima serie of seminars in Paris, France Featuring Masirib Guro Emanuel Hart from Inayan Systems International, Senior Full Instructor under the late Mangisursuro Mike Inay founder of Inayan Eskrima. First Date: the 30th of november 2002 (6 hours) then every 2 months (january, march and may). Program: single stick, double stick, knife and empty hands based on concepts, principles, drills and techniques from different styles within Inayan Eskrima (Kadena de mano, Larga Mano, Sinawali, Decuerdas). contact: fernandez@inayaneskrima.com or call 00 33 1 42 33 34 39. Stephane Fernandez IFE Instructor www.inayaneskrima.com fernandez@inayaneskrima.com Inayan Federation of Eskrima --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "rocky pasiwk" To: Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:14:59 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Kicking and stuff Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey Kim I can sympathize with your work schedule. I sold out of a small trucking company just this last year and my wife decides she wants a pool and spa shop.I rarely know what day of the week it is and I haven't trained in so long, my 4 year old daughter is going to have to teach me Abeciadario. On the Kicking Thingy My first MA training ( other than Katch training and Judo under my father ) was Tang Soo Do, my brother signed me up for my first lessons when I was 6 years old, my father was real un happy, he never understood the whole non contact pull you punchs and run a round in your jammy's yelling and screaming thing. But I had watched a Bruce Lee movie and I just had to learn to kick. Fortunately Tang Soo Do back then was a fairly hard fighting system that developed strong penetrating kicks verses, snappy quick kicks.Anyways back then the kicking arts where all the rage, prior to the greatest Martial artist in motion picture history dazzling us kids on the big screen, most martial arts were mostly hand tech. and little but very effective lower kicks ( here in the U.S.A ). Of course we all know in real life Bruce Lee was not about flashy kicking. Anyways first there were very little kicks then lots of kicking then a good mixture, then people got the FMA bug and many got all hung up on the weapon thing, then came the BJJ stuff, and many people jumped on the band wagon with that stuff. And what it all boils down to and always comes back to is everything has a time and place. When you pick up a weapon you don't put away your kicks, or punches, when you are on the ground you don't have to give up your weapon or forget your kicking and kneeing, it should all still be available. Both Gm Buot and Gm Presas told me numerous times in the past about low line kicking while stick fighting and Remy especially was fond of laying a good right hand across your chin while stick fighting. In fact Remy and I use to practice kicking and hand striking quite often when doing Moncal's Balintawak. And Crossada de Mano Eskrima is very close quarters and thus relies on lots of low in close kicking and kneeing however it has some very short and strong close mid section kicks. It seems Gm Bacon was quite fond of kicking to the shins, which fits in real well with the close quarters preference of Balintawak ( and the fact that he wore hard soled shoes ). Remy and I also picked up a lot of ground kicking from my father. Katch as Katch Can and Ukrainian grappling do quite a bit of ground kneeing and kicking, that you don't see in BJJ, Judo or too many other grappling arts. Now in the full contact stick fighting of today where there is lots of room and open space, a good karate kicker can land some of the higher kicks if his timing is on, I personally don't recommend high kicking in a stick match but it does work. Mid to low level kicks are easier to conceal and recover from. My first full contact match lasted less than 5 seconds, my friend a much more experienced fighter at the time 20 years ago faked me outta my shorts with a high watik, then dropped low across my shin and broke my leg, after which I performed a perfect Fetal Eskrimador position. Ever since then I have been a little reluctant to put my legs out there to get whacked, I always pick my shots well. So Ray, you have some competitors in the Martial arts forum, well you'll always have me Ray ;-) ( All though just think a whole new group of people to annoy) >It would be helpful also if some of the >pretenders to succession had actually read and trained from the older >book. Did I really write that???? EBrook THE Wicked Western Warlock You are a meanie arn't you!!! If you take a good look at a few of the pictures in his original book, you will see a few of his student, now Gm's in other arts, who claim they never trained under him. HHMMMMM!!!!!!!!! Speaking of Modern Arnis I have decided to start teaching again, I have had numerous, people ( that are kind of left hanging out in the wind) since GM Presas's passing, ask to train under me. For various reasons, usually the fact that they were black belts in Modern Arnis over 20 years ago, when the training was much different, and some of the Modern Arnis GM's of today were not even aware of the FMA's. So I have been persuaded to teach it again. So I am launching "USMAC" the United States Progressive Modern Arnis Coalition. To help spread the art of Progressive Modern Arnis. Rocky Pasiwk Founder Cuentada de Mano Chief instructor Anciong Bacons Original Balintawak --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "S. H. WEE" To: Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:39:37 +0800 Subject: [Eskrima] comments on Kuntao Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Kuntao techniques are characterized by many things such as tearing and > > clawing actions, hard blocking methods, destructive elbow strikes, > > narrow, low stances and postures, both hard and soft. Kuntao principles > > adhere to a generally circular pattern of motion rather than linear > > attacks and defenses. I am not familiar with Philipine and can only talk based on my own experience in Malaysia, especially Borneo. After the ill-fated Taiping Revolution (Christian Revolt) in China, large number of Chinese Christian fleed to Borneo to escape proxecution from the Manchurian Empire. And later, in the clan warfares between the Foochow/Hokkien which supported the White Rajah and the Hakka which supported the Dutch, large number of fighters were imported from mainland China. The Kuntao techniques are as varied as the Kung Fu practised today, IMHO, it's wrong to try to generalise the Kuntao techniques. Basically, there are two distinctive group of Kuntaos, those family-styles which are only taught from father to sons and little known by outside world and those and those practised by the clans which are taught to clan members and are wider known (e.g. Shantung Balck Tiger, Ng Cho Kwan). However, the clan based Kuntaos are not restricted by countries, you will find Hokkien everywhere, from US, China to Malaysia practising variations of Ng Cho Kun with almost exactly the same forms, not just in Philipine. And likewise the Hakka & Cantonese. However, either the Kuntaos still maintain the effectiveness of the style where as in mainland China it has been sterilised or maybe evolves into a more deadly art from encounters with native martial arts such as silats, the techniques were executed differently and more deadly. In fact, Kuntaos make loudsy demonstration art, and the techniques they used most probably resemble some of the more popular Kung Fu and doesn't look spectacular. Their secrets lie in the special drills, conditioning and the trainings, in another word, they spent a lot more time to toughen their body and limbs and on basic drills. You will only realise their effectiveness when faciing them in a fight. A good analogy will be Muay Thai, from a layman's view, it only consists of a few kicks, elbows and puches. Their superb conditionings, endurance and power will not be apparent to you untill you fought them. S. H. Wee >>Popular in Indonesia is the Shantung Black Tiger > > system, in Malaysia one will find the Phoenix Eye Fist style, and in the > > Philippines, Ngo Cho Kun. Although each of these countries' expressions > > of kuntao evolved from the same Chinese source, they have been altered > > incidental to time and cultural influence. > > Dr. Christian Farinetto --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Kicking and stuff To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:33:25 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > all still be available. Both Gm Buot and Gm Presas told me numerous times > in the past about low line kicking while stick fighting and Remy especially > was fond of laying a good right hand across your chin while stick fighting. > In fact Remy and I use to practice kicking and hand striking quite often > when doing Moncal's Balintawak. And Crossada de Mano Eskrima is very close > quarters and thus relies on lots of low in close kicking and kneeing however > it has some very short and strong close mid section kicks. It seems Gm Bacon > was quite fond of kicking to the shins, which fits in real well with the > close quarters preference of Balintawak ( and the fact that he wore hard > soled shoes ). One of my favs is a mid-level roundhouse to the thigh (common peroneal) as you're throwing a hard #1. They'll often see one or ta'other, but not always see both. > So Ray, you have some competitors in the Martial arts forum, well you'll > always have me Ray ;-) ( All though just think a whole new group of people > to annoy) The more the merrier. Lots of room and available readers... for Rock to upset. :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest