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From eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Wed Oct 30 17:54:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rimmon.cisto.com ([192.197.109.41]) by behemoth2.host4u.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g9UNsdg24335 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:54:39 -0600 Received: (qmail 15229 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2002 23:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rimmon.cisto.com) (127.0.0.1) by 0 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2002 23:55:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:54:02 -0800 Message-ID: <20021030235402.15009.82718.Mailman@rimmon.cisto.com> From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #374 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Good Luck Rocky and teh USPMAC (rich parsons) 2. Re: Good Luck Rocky and teh USPMAC (Ray Terry) 3. (no subject) (ken jo) 4. Fuller, revisited (Ray Terry) 5. Re: Pocket Stick/Kubotan video (Kel620@aol.com) 6. Is Lapu-Lapu Arnis the same style or system as Binas Dynamic Arnis? (Leo Salinel) 7. Quality of rattan sticks (Philipp Hammer) 8. Happy Halloween (Ray Terry) 9. neijia in kuntao (buddytripp@lungmen.org) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:16:04 -0800 (PST) From: rich parsons To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Good Luck Rocky and teh USPMAC Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Rocky, Good Luck and best wishes on your venture. The USPMAC Best Regards Rich __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Good Luck Rocky and teh USPMAC To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:48:17 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Good Luck and best wishes on your venture. > The USPMAC Agreed. Few understand just how far back Remy and Rocky go. Check out the first set of Prof. Presas' videos for yourself. We suspect that Rock may be Remy's senior student, outside of the RP. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:56:34 -0800 (PST) From: ken jo To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] (no subject) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "..We were taught that the balisong only comes open when circumstances dictate; this is in accordance with the principle in the FMA's of only injuring to a degree. The defender chooses how far he/she will go based upon the situation.. Kim Satterfield" Sir, With all due respect, I am not aware that there is such a principle (injuring to a degree) in the FMAs.. ever since, i have been conditioned that in combat once a balisong is opened the main purpose is to use it - to stab, to slash, "to finish the job" (the equivalent of the "pulverizing attack" in empty hands..) could you please elaborate on this as this principle is similar to the strategy or tactic (?) of "calibrated response" that i am currently exploring? kenjo __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:46:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] Fuller, revisited Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Just encountered this in A.G. Russell's Knife Encyclopedia. Blood Groove: I hate to tell you this, because this term really sells knives, there is no such thing as a blood groove and there is no sucking action that will hang up a knife in a victim's body. The term is "Fuller"; this is a groove that lightens and stiffens. Just fwiw... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Kel620@aol.com Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:24:53 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Pocket Stick/Kubotan video Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I haven't seen Tak Kubota's video(I only have his book), but the one by Guro Ted Lucaylucay has good info. http://www.cfw2.com/product.asp?s=cfw&pf_id=PSO1&dept_id=260 Kelvin Williams In a message dated 10/29/2002 5:51:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > fwiw, there is a pretty good old video from Tak Kubota, namer of the Kubaton > and founder of Gosoku karate, that explores use of the Kubaton... > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:42:37 -0800 (PST) From: Leo Salinel To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Is Lapu-Lapu Arnis the same style or system as Binas Dynamic Arnis? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Folks, I'm confused. I do think I should have bought Mark Wiley's book FILIPINO MARTIAL CULTURE as the answers would most likely be there. Anyway, I just want to know if Lapu-Lapu Arnis is the same style or system as Binas Dynamic Arnis. And is GM Jose Binas, to whom Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje and Grandmaster Jerson Tortal are both related, related to GM Herminio Binas? And who is this other grandmaster also from Negros Occidental whose surname is Vinas? Is this just an alternate rendering of the same surname? Can anyone point out the differences? Pananajakman: What it is, Really Sorry folks, there's no such thing as a system called pananajakman. In the first place, it's not a style or a system. Traditionally, in the FMA, kicking techniques did not have names--they were just done when the opportunity presented itself. Remember, the Filipino way is to JUST DO IT rather than the Chinese-Japanese way of making poetic names for a gazillion variations of each move. And please remember, that traditionally, the old relative teaching you (a father, uncle, or grandfather, or neighboring kinsman) would just tell you to DO THIS, DO THAT and not tell you any names. The names were just developed in the early 20th century. In fact, pananajakman is a misspelling of the recently coined word "pananadyakan" which means "kicking". It's just like "kino mutai", which is also a misspelling of "kinamutay", which is ALSO NOT a style or subsystem. It looks like that as the FMA were being transplanted from Pinoy culture into American culture, the latter couldn't help but follow the Japanese-Chinese MA paradigm of having names for all techniques and so they hard-pressed their oldtimer teachers for "names" for what they were doing....never mind the fact that their teachers themselves did not have terms for most of what they were doing, especially the empty handed striking, trapping, and kicking techniques, other than the generic word 'trangkada' or 'sikad' or 'sipa'. In fact, IMO that's precisely what Bruce Lee must have liked about the FMA....their total lack of concern for terms and stuff and sheer emphasis on what works. ===== Earn $$ just by receiving and reading email! http://www.resource-a-day.net/member/index.cgi?Brandon96 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Philipp Hammer" To: Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:49:08 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] Quality of rattan sticks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi folks Can anybody tell me how I can see if a rattan stick is good quality or not? Or better are there possibilities to see it? Are there hompages that describes that? Thanks! Philipp --------------------------------------------------------------------- Mangisursuro Mike Inay's Inayan System of Eskrima - Aachen - Germany __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Möchten Sie mit einem Gruß antworten? http://grusskarten.yahoo.de --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:00:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] Happy Halloween Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Please,,, only treats, no tricks... :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:09:56 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] neijia in kuntao Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:17:33 +0100 (MET) > From: Christian.Farinetto@gmx.de > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] Reply on Kuntao > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Dear s.h. wee, > I agree with you, it is not possible to classify Kuntao > by types of > movements (this statement came from Mark Willey, not me). > But there seem to me to be > some large inflluence form internal chinese martial arts > (Tai-Chi-Chuan, > Bagua, Hsing-I...). Selamat Dr. Farinetto, While I agree there are tactical similarities, IMO the way of moving (i.e. whole body power driven from the dantian using yao/kua) is markedly different. As well, neijia arts are known to be forms of qigong as well as martial systems. If one looks at the Taijiquan that has migrated to SE Asia, pimarily via Zheng Manqing, it is actually Fukien White Crane dressed in Taiji clothing. Hormat, Buddy Tripp --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest