Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 03:01:46 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #380 - 2 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Ilustrisimo numbering system (Bakbakan@aol.com) 2. Re: Terms: pananajakman, kino mutai, panantukan --- huh? (Federico Moran) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Bakbakan@aol.com Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:46:31 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Ilustrisimo numbering system Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Jamie wrote>I wondered do any ED members practice KI and would there care to put me straight on this? You are correct to point out the contradiction. There may have been oversight on that segment because the 5 reference points I learned from Masters Rey Galang and Topher Ricketts are: 1-Diagonal Forehand Collarbone 2-Horizontal Backhand Elbow / Midsection 3-Horizontal Forehand Elbow / Midsection 4-Diagonal Backhand Collarbone 5-Midsection Thrust Keep in mind that the Ilustrisimo influence in Inosanto Blend was not from Tatang but his uncle Regino. Personal interpretations may be conveyed with even the slightest changes like the numbering system. Yours in the Arts, Guro John G. Jacobo BAKBAKAN International --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Federico Moran" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 18:31:55 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Terms: pananajakman, kino mutai, panantukan --- huh? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Tito, After training for so long with different teachers her in the United States and not being Filipino, I've had a difficult time keeping all this terminology straight. It seems that a lot of confusion involving terminology (pronunciation, spelling, etc.) makes understanding eskrima harder. Yet, after training in the Philippines with some of the master in Cebu and seeing it first hand, it's no longer that complicated. As I've seen posted on here before, it seems as if most of my teachers were more interested in my executing the technique properly as opposed to what the specific name is. Many players dedicate so much time to categorizing and remembering the particular striking pattern from so and so's art, or what a particular style is, or whether or not one is better than another that they forget the basics. This is a martial art. It teaches you how to punch, kick, attack, and defend. Basic. Knowing that now, everything has clarified. I now only concern myself with improving my fundamental abilities: striking, defending, reacting, moving, etcetera. I've chosen to focus on one style. In doing so, everything builds upon itself. Single baston training teaches the hands to fight without a weapon. Sparring teaches range and application as well as developing speed, coordination, and conditioning. Having to make sense of several different styles (i.e. one style for long range, on style for knife, one style for empty hand, etcetera) is way too confusing for me and requires that much more time to develop a foundation to build on. Not only is training easier, but learning the terminology naturally has become easier. My Visayan, although far from perfect, is getting better little by little. As such, my training has expanded beyond just learning how to fight; it is now an exploration of a very beautiful culture both different than and similar to my own. Thanks for clearing things up for me even more. Federico Moran http://www.doceparesinternational.com _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month.  Try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest