Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 20:41:02 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #385 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Emerson folding karabit (bill m) 2. Park Training (Marc Denny) 3. Re:Park Training (abreton@juno.com) 4. Park Training (Mark F. Ward) 5. Re: Ilustrisimos (Bakbakan@aol.com) 6. CRKT, was Emerson folding karabit (Ray Terry) 7. Park trouble (TABULA RAZA) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "bill m" To: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:54:09 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Emerson folding karabit Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I was visiting the New York Knife Show this past Friday and saw the new Emerson folding karabit. Very nice knife, though the finger hole was too small for my hands (Emerson says he has had enough people point this out that a larger version is being discussed). The Emerson website has photos and videos of the folding karabit in action. http://www.emersonknives.com/karambit.htm The NY show was much smaller than in previous years. The knife mags have mentioned smaller shows of late. Has anyone on the list noticed this at other knife shows in other parts of the country? Is this a post 9-11 phenomena or is it due to the economy? When you buy your next knife, what factors besides pure combat functionality will affect your decision? Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath Email: tuhonbill@pekiti-tirsia.com PTI website: http://www.pekiti-tirsia.com/ --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:15:50 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Park Training Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: > Remember that tomorrow is election day in the US. > > Vote early, vote often... > > Ray Terry But what about those of us who aren't Democrats? :-o > Just a memory of visiting Charlotte, NC. I was at a really cool park where > there was a JKD group working out. They brought an air brushed sign to put > out saying the name of their group etc. The participants were in uniform > T-shirts as well. There was no doubt what they were about. Remove the sign > and T-shrits, and it probably would have looked like a bunch of bangers. > Yes, it is still a free country, but these little things probably stop a lot > of hassle. > > See you in the sticks, Dale I agree with the larger point that Dale is making here. Speaking as someone who still teaches in the park (at the place where we used to hold the "Gatherings of the Pack") I think it is a real good idea, not only for reasons of self-interest, to look for ways to help people be at ease with what you are doing. IMHO not all parks are suitable for teaching. The park where I teach is in a quiet neighborhood. Its small, on a dead end street and bounded on three sides. It is not very visible to passersby. The neighborhood knows me; I lived on that street for 10 years. The police occasionally would have lunch there and had a chance to observe me teach and my friendly demeanor to them and others. It is important to remember that the world may look different to those who are not young tough athletic males and to appreciate how you might look to them. If I see people walking by and looking a bit unsure I make sure to call out something like "Don't worry-- we may be crazy but we're not dangerous" to put them at ease or just a simple friendly wave. These things laid the foundation for us being able to hold the Gatherings of the Pack there for 10 years. Woof, Crafty Dog PS: Remember, the "Dog Brothers Gathering of the Pack" is on Sunday November 24 at the RAW Gym in El Segundo. Info is up on the website and I am working on getting the Invitation letter out later today for posting here and elsewhere. On Sunday the 17th Top Dog and I and a few of the guys will be doing a demo at Dragonfest www.Dragonfest.com for info on when and where that is. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:55:53 GMT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re:[Eskrima] Park Training From: abreton@juno.com Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I've done my share of outdoors and backyard training. When our Pekiti group lost its gym membership (lost its good gym rate, actually), we had to move out to a park for a while. In addition to the general manners and considerations of your fellow human beings, here's a recommendation: make a flyer. It gives you something to put into the hands of interested passerby. In addition, having something on paper that's from your 'association' seems to legitimize you in some way. If you want to get rid of someone, start the sales pitch (how much money each month, how long they'll have to committ for). Mind you, we don't actually HAVE all those rules, but saying you have them comes in handy to get rid of people who seem to think that because you're out in public they can monopolize your time. In light of the conversation so far, I would probably add something about the history of the arts and culture and the benefits of studying, a la your Korner Kid Karate studio (gives your discipline, coordination, self esteem, etc.). I wouldn't teach children and for adults, those statements shoyuld be common sense - but they're also true and if it helps you to have it in print, use it. Finally, keep training in parks. You can't always find FMA in the yellow pages. I would have LOVE to come across someone training in the park; it would have gotten me started in the Southeast Asian martial arts earlier than I did. Andy --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Mark F. Ward" To: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:13:04 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Park Training Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net When I trained with Guro Reggie Burford and the Oakland Eskrima Club (hi guys!), we used to hit the Lake Merritt park on Sunday mornings. I would have thought the opposite, but people largely left us alone even when we did some light sparring in WEKAF armor. It was Oakland after all. As I remember, our most interested observers were Oakland PD officers, who would park their squad car some distance away and just watch. People walking their kid in a stroller or jogging etc. would sometimes ask what we were doing - all in a pleasant way - but the police preferred to hang out by their car and check us out from a distance. Speaking of club T-Shirts, one of the members of our group got pulled over on his bike by some Richmond PD officers when they saw his shirt - it has a large Doce Pares emblem with 'Oakland Club' right below it. They saw the 'Oakland Club' bit and the gang bells went off. Sigh. mfw --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Bakbakan@aol.com Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:32:11 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Ilustrisimos Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray, I recall early accounts citing Regino as a distant cousin. However, the historical archives compiled by Tatangs' disciples seem to indicate Regino is his uncle. Yours in the Arts, John BAKBAKAN International --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:16:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] CRKT, was Emerson folding karabit Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > other knife shows in other parts of the country? Is this a post 9-11 > phenomena or is it due to the economy? When you buy your next knife, what > factors besides pure combat functionality will affect your decision? You know who makes a real nice blade at an affordable price... CRKT, Columbia River Knife and Tool. Just picked up their Ryan Plan B, fixed blade model in black. Liked the looks, liked the feel, liked the size, liked the price ($35 out the door w/fast kydex sheath and neck chain). Possibly could have found it cheaper via the net, but was in a gun store that sold mostly knives. A sign of the times here in sunny California.?.?. :( Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 16:47:07 -1000 (HST) From: TABULA RAZA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Park trouble Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Don't let the stupid and ignorant trouble you my friend. You are lucky that's all you get. When we used to train before, we used to get druggies and the local Samoan toughs come to our practices. That's how my maestro got the respect from the community. Banging on some of 'em who tried to disrupt the practices. Though mind you, this was 80-early 90's Waipahu, Hawaii, not necessarily a wealthy town, so suing wasn't such a big thing. What helped was that Maestro Snookie was a good friend of the cops, and they used to come watch us practice all the time, even with our balisongs (when they weren't illegal). If you face the cops, trying making friends with 'em, or better yet, get to them first, by frequenting the PAL (police activies league program) at their training centers. And for ignorant onlookers, you don't always have to respond. Just acknowledge them, give 'em a nod, and go on training. If bothered some more, keep it short and sweet, like a left jab. Just say, "I'm too poor to hire myself a bodyguard, so until then, I must practice to defend myself from criminals and crazy people, who attack everyday innocent people, like me, you and maybe even your children over there." End it there. Do not entertain anymore. You are there to train not to entertain. If they keep on talking just ignore 'em, and if they get too bad, start sparring and it'll be too dangerous for them (or to offensive) for them to stick around. -Erwin Legaspi "All I have ever longed for in my life . . . a vision of God." - 9th and 10th century Sufi mystic Mansur Al-Hallaj "Intellect and intelligence do not go together. Intelligence is obtained only when the heart and mind reach an agreement." - Jiddu Krishnamurti --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest