Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 19:10:02 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #390 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Presas roots (Charles E Dulin) 2. Re: Non-shooting uses of guns (meijin) 3. Re: Non-shooting uses of guns (Todd Ellner) 4. solo training: outdoor training (Christian Farinetto) 5. Old GMs and Remy Presas (Steven Drape) 6. HMAISociety (Kyud-Arnis Balite) 7. 1st Annual Gathering of Filipino Martial Artists Overview (Elrik Jundis) 8. Greetings J (was [Eskrima] Re: Solo Training In any Environment) (Federico Moran) 9. Elrik does good (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:39:11 -0500 From: Charles E Dulin Subject: [Eskrima] Presas roots Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net It is my understanding that Remy was older than his brothers by enough of a margin that they did not have the same exposure to certain influences, notably their grandfather. I don't know much about Roberto, but what I have seen of Ernesto's system is a good bit different from Modern Arnis (and I am=dmit to having seen a LOT less of it; also note that I said different, not better or worse.) Chad --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "meijin" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Non-shooting uses of guns Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:11:48 -0600 Organization: Budogeek Productions Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > That said, on the other hand Lott is absolutely superb. If memory serves he > is a Professor of Law at some snooty law school (Princeton?) and his writing > is precise, intellectually sound and honest. > Actually, it is the University of Chicago...one of the major homes of liberalism and one of the places where not only can you not carry a gun, you cannot carry a knife legally. Mike ================================= Michael Davis Admin, The Vital Point Forum http://budogeeks.tzo.com/phpbb --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:31:49 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: "Todd Ellner" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Non-shooting uses of guns Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net My first Silat teacher always says "A gun is just something to put holes in the other guy at range so you'll be better off in the knife fight you were going to get into anyway." He's a pessimistic man, but he's been pleasantly surprised more often than not... Big, heavy revolvers also make dandy clubs at close range. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 20:49:08 +0100 (MET) From: Christian Farinetto To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] solo training: outdoor training Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Dear Gord, I understand your situation as I felt obliged to stop training FMA with groups for many years due to the lack of competent and honest instructors in my country of origin ( this situation may have changed now). Many readers of escrima ressource made interesting suggestions, I may add that you could also benefit from outdoor training. Trees and bushes offer many interesting targets to cut, there are many different angles to hit and parry, and it is a good exercise to practice your footwork in the woods, against a tree on rocks or on sand. Training outdoor with weapons is a good way to train alone stimulates your imagination and besides it is always good fun to fall in the watter if you miss your steps. I guess there may be some video tapes for sale on the subject. Regards and good luck, Dr. C. Farinetto It is better for the bone to turn white than for the heel (Tausug proverb). -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. Rund um die Uhr für 1 ct/ Min. surfen! --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:12:33 +0300 From: "Steven Drape" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Old GMs and Remy Presas Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >I have seen this to be true in so many grandmasters that I am begining to >wonder if having great martial arts skills and great business accume are >mutually exclusive (at least in the older generation of FMA grandmasters). >Any thoughts It is true becasue of the training required at a young age. If you were spending 4-6 hours a day training or practicing, then you were not also going to school those same hours. Also, the men who truly mastered the art were generally men who might have been considered to be "from the wrong side of the tracks". College-bound young people did not learn the art in the old days, though there were exceptions, to be sure. Poor Filipinos, which most of the old masters were, were also constrained by the culture. The mentality of the crab", which inflicts Filipinos in general, ensures that few poor people can get ahead, let alone learn to be astute businessmen. Before anyone attacks me for being insensitive, I am married to a Filipina and have spent the better part of 15 years living in the Philippines, and have a great respect for the people. It is an observation that I believe to be true, with no disrespect intended. >You are correct. Ernesto and Roberto, to my understanding, trained under >Remy for some time but Remy trained in Balintawak escrima. Ernesto and >Roberto did not. You would have to see the two of them move and feel >them "up close" to tell the difference. Good point. Even the angles of attack of Modern Arnis are those of Balintawak. It is an important distinction. Steve --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Kyud-Arnis Balite" To: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:11:54 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] HMAISociety Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The Hawaii Martial Arts International Society will have a tournament next year. Should be interesting. If interested visit http://www.hmaisociety.com/ 3 tournaments in one. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Elrik Jundis" To: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:42:10 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] 1st Annual Gathering of Filipino Martial Artists Overview Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Answer to Al Sardinas questions: The event had three goals. 1. To allow current practitioners of Filipino Martial Arts to come together as community and learn and share with each other. In this we were successful. The following groups/instructors did workshops and/or demos Professor Dan Anderson-Modern Arnis 80, Master Art Gonzales Tenios DeCuerdes Escrima, The private students and instructors of Sonny Umpad, Gura Michelle Bautista, Master Rodel Dagooc-8th Degree Black Belt Remy Presas' Modern Arnis, Punong Guro Remy Presas Jr., Guro Demetrio Presas, Master Darren Tibon & Datu Frank Lile-Angels Disciples Escrima Association, Maestro Dexter Labanag-SLD & Larga Mano the Giron Method, Guro Joel Juanitas-Bahala Na Filipino Martial Arts, Master Khalid Khan-Serrada Escrima, Guro Mario Quiroz-Sikamilion, Guro Reginald Buford-Oakland Escrima Club, Professor Max Pallen-Senkotiros, Master Robert Castro-Eskabo Daan, Gura Michelle Bautista-Kamatuuran School of Kali, and Val Tintangco-Cubales-Charles Gracie BJJ. With one exception all groups kept their demonstrations under 7" minutes. Each workshop was 30" to 45" minutes in length. The following schools also attended and brought a number of participants: Guro John Fontanilla-Likodan Filipino Martial Arts, Gints-Full Contact Club, Sacramento Doce Pares, In Motion Martial Arts, Serrada Escrima Club, and others. Over 130 instructors and students participated. Over 60 people participated in live-stick, point, and padded stickfighting matches. These were fun fights where folks chose their sparing partners though we first separated folks by experience and weight. I also want to thank the former organizers and referees from the Northern California Eskrima Coalition who helped referee the end of day sparring and to the folks who lent their gear to the competitors. While informal the sparing participants got a real feel of FMA tournament fighting. There were also 7 vendors selling FMA related merchandise. 2. To increase awareness of and participation in all Filipino Martial Arts. This did happen and part of my intent was to generate new interest. I didn't get all my participant surveys back and I think less than 5% of the participants were brand new to FMA. In this area there is still a lot of work to do. I know some vendors did great while others sold almost nothing. Like I mentioned in an earlier email the event will be shown on "Balitang America" and journalist who filmed the event is working on getting a segment on "Stateside" a national broadcast show in the Philippines. Another area that we unsuccessful in is getting the involvement of the Filipino-American College student organizations. We intent to have their involvement for future events. We also intend to have the involvement of more non-FMA schools as participants for future events. 3. To enhance and expand a positive world view of Filipinos. I would say this was a definite yes. For the all the demos we were only 5" minutes off and the workshops were on time after a reschedule to include lunch (something I forgot =). Most important the event was a space of openness, respect and sharing. There were a few tiffs and they were all handled in an adult and responsible manner. This will remain a work in progress. The SPMA is in the process of incorporating as a non-profit and is creating a website to specifically promote FMA in Northern California (we will be expanding this in time). I want to eventually do this for the Metro Manila seen to promote our arts back home in the Philippines. The event showed that we as community can work & play together (even when we have significant differences) and even be on time. This sounds funny but is an example of the kind of attention to details that makes a difference. The participant feed back was overwhelmingly positive and this was reflective of the instructors who donated their time and their students who helped out. There was also a team of 40 plus volunteers who helped make the event a success and gave of their time generously. They were also a large contributing factor. There were about 70. For me the special guest were Professor Dan Anderson and Master Rodel Dagooc. Dan Anderson represented the other non-Northern California FMA practitioners and Master Dagooc represented the Philippines (he normally teaches in the Luneta). Also special for me is that I met several good practitioners who come from instructors and lineages I have never heard of. They are of the mind frame that likes to stay quiet and hidden. Having folks like that shows me there is always more to learn. The highlight is that the event happened. Many said it couldn't. For all the folks that showed up-I tried to contact many more who declined for various reasons. For some bad blood in the FMA community is still too fresh. I'm glad to see that there are those who are committed to something bigger than old resentments. Also some folks were happily busy with the seminar tours or teaching their classes. I was happy see my student having a blast in sparring. One of my favorite fights was watching Gelmar Cabales (Angel's youngest son) go against one of my guys with a lot of street fighting experience. I do recommend that other folks try this. The SPMA is a free resource for you to develop something like this in your neck of the woods. I got the idea for this from Guro Loki Jorgenson. Also be prepared that some folks won't like what you are doing regardless of how positive you think you are (it ain't so in there world). It's just part of organizing. Also learn to appreciate and respect differences. They are often just opinions and those things tend to change as the years pass on. The SPMA is looking to incorporate as a non-profit: if anyone can help with this please contact me. We will be organizing a similar event October 18 & 19, 2003 for Filipino American History Month. On March 29 & 30, 2003 will be a weekend of "Exploration & Creation" this event will take a critical look at current competitive FMA practices and re-examine them inside of practitioner development, spectator appeal, new developments in FMA practice, as well as advances in safety and sparring equipment. We are also planning a non-FMA event called "A Day of Movement & Healing" this event will focus on martial, dance and healing practices at is set for sometime in the summer. These are all in the preliminary brainstorming phases. To participate, present, and otherwise be involved please contact me bellow. Maraming Salamat Po, Elrik G. Jundis Guro/Director School of Pilipino Mastery Arts (415) 601-2735 elrik.jundis@pilipinoma.com http://www.pilipinoma.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Federico Moran" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Greetings J (was [Eskrima] Re: Solo Training In any Environment) Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 15:04:51 -0800 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey J., Glad to see that you are posting again. Thanks for coming out and training with us yesterday. What did you think? Training with Ramon and Steve is always a great experience. There is always something new to learn. We'll see how Saturday goes. I haven't sparred since the two Cebu tournaments back in July! Best Regards, Federico P.S. Here are some links to web sites affiliated with our group. I don't know if you've seen them; some are fairly new. Info, pics, links and forums. Enjoy. Doce Pares International http://www.doceparesinternational.com I.S.A. Martial Arts Academy http://www.isamartialarts.com Doce Pares International - CA Chapter http://www.12pares.com Doce Pares International - SD Council http://www.sddocepares.com -- __--__-- Message: 7 From: "Johnaleen" To: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 02:01:26 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Solo Training In any Environment Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ms. J bows deeply PS. HI Federico......:) -- __--__-- _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:07:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] Elrik does good Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > So you know ABS-CBN will be broadcasting a segment on the event this week on > "Balitang America" on Friday at 6:30 PM PST on KTSF Channel 26 in the San > Francisco Bay Area. Elrik, Great job! Just watched the coverage they gave your event. Lots of face time for Elrik, too. :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest