Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 07:25:05 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #405 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. (no subject) (kelly worden) 2. kamagong/bahi?? (GatPuno@aol.com) 3. Bahi palm wood? (GatPuno@aol.com) 4. How to make your own dagger or swords/carving? (GatPuno@aol.com) 5. Iron Wood Sticks (Seraksatu@aol.com) 6. Woodworks by VDT Academy (Seraksatu@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "kelly worden" To: "e-digest" Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 22:15:58 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] (no subject) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net To reply to Jay de Leon or other interested and concerned individuals, This is a task I and others are doing as a favor to Inside Kung Fu Editor Dave Cater mainly to get an idea of what is happening with Modern Arnis. The request and project is to establish an outline as to who has been a part of Modern Arnis over the years and who is still actively involved. As mentioned in the outline or guidelines for inclusion there is a timeline on the submitting the results. Ideally, others will have concerns or care and submit names that they feel fit the criteria, simple as that. I will with the help of other knowledgeable people put them in order of when they participated in Modern Arnis, that is why the year they started is important. Weather I personally feel or others feel NARAPHIL or 2nd Generation practitioners had a riff or political issue with Professor is unimportant in this effort. Professor had more than one riff or conflict throughout his long martial arts career in the Philippines, U.S., Europe, or Worldwide for that matter. What martial arts group or leader has not experienced splintering? It is not my desire to address this issue nor my concern, only to establish the practitioners that choose to step forward and claim their spot in Modern Arnis history and lineage. The only key point here is being a part of lineage and history. Am I going to toil away for endless hours on this daunting task searching records throughout the world? NO! At the required deadline to submit a report I will do just that submit it! Will it have every name who ever trained with Professor on it? No, but I do know the chart will be more complete than it ever has in the past. Additionally, that effort Mr. de Leon will be more of an effort than has been offered in the past! If you or anyone else would like to submit names, dates, and ranks of people you know, please do. I am in contact with people in the Philippines, the U.S. and other countries who will remember almost any name that may be submitted. If by chance during this first effort names are not listed, obtained, or substantial acknowledgement of their status cannot be verified a second effort could be launched. Possibly at some time in the future when another publication or governing martial arts body requests the information additional attention may be directed to include a more complete directory of names and dates. This current effort is one I and others are attempting, if it appears to be lacking some of the credible people of the past, let them step forth and do the work themselves, simple as that! Like it says in the outline, "SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER COMPLAIN !" Records that were never kept may be lost forever, all that can be done today is to try, Sincerely, Kelly S. Worden P.S. Jay de Leon as for for your timely response to my last post over two months ago, thanks your honesty and interest mean alot to me... New E-Mail Address for Kelly Worden: kellyworden@attbi.com Please update your records Thank you. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 06:42:58 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] kamagong/bahi?? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Bill Lowery, In regards of Kamagong, yes indeed is a species of ebony wood, and we have three species in the Philippines. The Talang (Mabolo is redish color), Kamagong (lighter black color) and Ibano(the solid dark black color). > Kamagong is indeed a species of Ebony wood. > > Hi Dave, Bill, Let me give you the correct idea or answer to mistaking of the Bahi, or palm wood. Bahi is not the center or the heart of the palm wood, the palm three is like rattan or bamboo wood family, that the harder part is the outer face,( from the skin to sometime is up to 3 or 4 inches toward the heart) while the heart is very soft. I used to take or collect my own bahi and kamagong from my place in the mountain of Sierra Madre in Paete, Laguna Philippines. > > Bahi is also know as Heart of the Palm. There are a couple of variations > depending on where from within the Palm tree you take the wood. The very > centre is extremely hard, with the next layer out being only somewhat > lighter. My wood supplier is trying to arrange some for me. If I can help > (and you ahve to bear in mind that as I will be sending the goodies out > from > the UK the price of postage will be higher than if you can arrange supplies > from the US) drop me a line. > > Bill Lowery I hope this info will give you the correct idea or knowledge in where the bahi really is. Gumagalang/with respect, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA --__--__-- Message: 3 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 06:59:50 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Bahi palm wood? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Steve, Bahi is indeed a palm wood, and any kind of palm bared bahi, the hardness is depend the age of the palm tree. In the Philippines the famous bahi that used by us Eskrimador are Anahaw palm tree, and only the older three gave you the darker version of the bahi. Start from 25 to 150 years old three, the older they are the darker the bahi get. Note: Remember the bahi is the outer part prom the main tree start from bottom to middle section of the three the best bahi. From mid section tthrouhg the leafy part is brown and white color which is not usable as bahi stick caused is softs. The Coconut is brown Bahi, also a lot of palm bare redish black bahi, is not like older Anahaw which is the national leaves of the Philippines had produce the darkest bahi stick. Again this is just a small help the group to get the right ida which where the bahi came from and how to get them. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA > I don't know much about trees and such, but I have a number of sticks > which I was told were bahi. They don't really seem like wood at all. They > are more like an extremely dense vine. Bahi will tear you up with splinters > if you do not get it on a lathe and smooth it out. As for where it comes > from, all I have ever heard was the heart of a palm, but not which > particular species. Really good bahi is now quite difficult to find. If > anyone has a source of good quality wood, I'd like to hear about it. A good > bahi stick will take on just about anything short of a steel pipe and come > out on top. > > Steve --__--__-- Message: 4 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 07:22:21 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] How to make your own dagger or swords/carving? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Rey, and the other gentleman raise this questioned: I am a woodcarver and do our own dagger and stick for my student. I dont use the lathe Machine to do my work, I used the old way really chip them with my chisel and pile. First get your wood or choose your desired wood. 2/ make the actual size pattern in cardboard. then drw it to your desired wood. 3/ Then cut the access wood using chisel, saw, electric saw, file, router even using knife or machete, leave a margin from the drawing so you have margin to to used for cleaning them or smooth them. 4/ Then for cleaning used coursely teeth file to clean the whole area off-course depend to your shape desired to accomplish, 5/ then used fine file to finish and smooth it out the wood to your desired shape, 6/then sand it with coursely sand paper then used the fine sand paper to finish the cleaning, 7/ then apply your dye or oil, varnish to finish your dagger or swords. I know it sound so easy, is not easy okay you have to work hard to get this job done. if you have further question e-mail me on how much I would charge you to do them for you.. Or host me for seminar to your area and I am willing to do the beginning part is how to make your own stick and dagger, them what ever you guys interested to learn that days. Just an idea.. Gumagalang/with respect, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA > > If anyone knows of anyone skilled in woodturning and carving I have a old > > bahi dagger that I would like to duplicate in hickory. If you'd like to > send > > me an estimate I can be reached at: > > I have a nice larger piece of kamagong that I'd liked worked up into a > keris > or something similar, if anyone is good at working with such a hard wood. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Seraksatu@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 09:57:50 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Iron Wood Sticks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Selamat Mas Steve Drape I have gotten a stronger wood material outgunning just about anything I have seen including Bahi. My student in Mass, builts houses (expensive Houses on the Cape) these folks let him built decks out of this wood, well it looks like wood from a other planet. In testing, no splinters and just crushes any rattan or Bahi in a crush blast test. I will ask him next week, what it is and will post and share that information. The wood is very expensive, it commes from Java he says, and if it is, then maybe it is from the Jati Tree, just geussing Pak Vic << I don't know much about trees and such, but I have a number of sticks which I was told were bahi. They don't really seem like wood at all. They are more like an extremely dense vine. Bahi will tear you up with splinters if you do not get it on a lathe and smooth it out. As for where it comes from, all I have ever heard was the heart of a palm, but not which particular species. Really good bahi is now quite difficult to find. If anyone has a source of good quality wood, I'd like to hear about it. A good bahi stick will take on just about anything short of a steel pipe and come out on top. Steve >> --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Seraksatu@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 10:21:03 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Woodworks by VDT Academy Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Selamat Mas Ray Sound Funny but Next year, January 2003, besides the regular Rattan stick bussiness that I do, I will add the other wood product as you mention to the list of hardwood products. Time is what I am looking at, I use to do much with Hard wood Figurenes So I hope to restart the Bussiness of hardwoods again made from the different trees. These include Boken, Krises, Sticks, Trainers etc >From my own school here I have already have backlog orders First come first serve, So if you have the same interest to have something made, by lets say the middle of january let me know. Let me know how many waves in the Keris and How long for the blade, send me an email to Seraksatu@aol.com and I can place you on the work list for work for next year starting around January 15 or so. This year no time left, no bananas for woodworks with Xmas comming up, great time for reflecting in what we have as Americans here in America. Xmas is very special to me as well as many Take care and Hormat Pak Vic << I have a nice larger piece of kamagong that I'd liked worked up into a keris or something similar, if anyone is good at working with such a hard wood. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest