Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:06:02 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #407 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Presas Lineage Chart (jay de leon) 2. Steve Lamade and Dave Fulton - Bahi & Kamagong (TheLefty@aol.com) 3. Re: Maori arts (Bakbakan@aol.com) 4. Re: Re: Maori arts (Ray Terry) 5. Thank You Bog Brothers (Jason) 6. native american martial arts (gordon walker) 7. Pictures of FMA gathering in S.F. (rob zerby) 8. Hickory (pnn@ix.netcom.com) 9. Re: native american (and maori) martial arts (jason-couch@comcast.net) 10. Maori's (Peter Gow) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "jay de leon" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cc: theclassic33@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 06:31:14 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Presas Lineage Chart Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Mr. Worden : Thank you for taking the time and the effort to explain and expound on several criteria and methodology for the Remy Presas lineage chart. With regard to Generation 2, I am sure that there are many surviving NARAPHIL senior members in the Philippines (in addition to Modern Arnis stalwarts Roland Dantes, Rodel Dagooc, Shishir Inocalla, etc. whom I believe you are in contact with anyway) who will be more than willing to help supply relevant information. Again, good luck with your project which I consider a daunting task but a good tribute to the man and legacy that was Professor Remy Presas. Jay de Leon _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --__--__-- Message: 2 From: TheLefty@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 03:43:02 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Steve Lamade and Dave Fulton - Bahi & Kamagong Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Steve & Dave, I will be bringing back a shipment of Bahi and Kamagong on my next trip to the Philippines. I get back to the states December 12 so the sticks will be available shortly after then. You can place your orders on our website www.inayaneskrima.com and there are some pictures of the wood on the site as well. The supplier I use has great quality and it is some of the best that we at ISI have seen in a long, long time. I can probably arrange for a 48' staff as well, although I will have to check pricing. Will probably be around $100 US as we use a 40' weapon for our Largo Mano and that is the cost on those. Anyway, let me know if you would like the staff and at the very least the sticks will be available shortly. Best Regards, Cory Hanosh Inayan Masirib Guro Inayan Systems International www.inayaneskrima.com The Premier Source for Inayan Eskrima In a message dated 11/24/2002 3:22:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 23:49:46 +0300 > From: "Steven Drape" > To: > Subject: [Eskrima] Bahi > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > I am interested in sources of Bahi sticks. Does anyone know where I could > purchase Bahi sticks? I'm interested in a pair (28" long by 1" diameter) > and > a staff (1" diameter by about 48" long). Also, my search for sources of > Bahi > sticks, left me with a question about Bahi itself. Can anyone tell me > whether "Bahi" wood comes from Palm Trees or Coconut Trees? I've been > comparing pictures of wood from the Black Palm tree and the Coconut tree, > to > the Bahi sticks that I've handled, and based upon the appearance of the > wood > it seems that Bahi could possibly come from either tree. > > I don't know much about trees and such, but I have a number of sticks > which I was told were bahi. They don't really seem like wood at all. They > are more like an extremely dense vine. Bahi will tear you up with splinters > if you do not get it on a lathe and smooth it out. As for where it comes > from, all I have ever heard was the heart of a palm, but not which > particular species. Really good bahi is now quite difficult to find. If > anyone has a source of good quality wood, I'd like to hear about it. A good > bahi stick will take on just about anything short of a steel pipe and come > out on top. > > Steve --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Bakbakan@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:50:13 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Maori arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Ray, I've been intrigued by the Maori lifestyle ever since I saw the 1995 film, "Once Were Warriors". I've contacted several organizations in New Zealand since then to find out more about them, specifically their martial arts. To date, I have not received the response I've been hoping for. Apparently, there was little historical documentation prepared on the evolution of these fighting arts. Although there must have been an empty-hand art, they primarily used a weapon called the Taiaha. It resembles a wooden spear that functions from both ends described as the "thrusting point" and "striking blade". I was told that if practice still exists, it was done behind closed doors. The Ta Moko (skin carving) and war chant known, as the Haka was intimidating alone. You can get a free e-book that offers some great insight on the Haka & Taiaha weapon at: www.tu.co.nz There is also a book you can purchase called "Warrior Arts of the Maori". John G. Jacobo BAKBAKAN International --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Maori arts To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:20:18 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I've been intrigued by the Maori lifestyle ever since I saw the 1995 film, > "Once Were Warriors". Good timing. Turns out it is on tonight on cable... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Jason" To: Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:28:49 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Thank You Bog Brothers Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I went to "The Gathering of the Pack" on sunday. I have to thank the Dog Brothers for putting on this event. It inspires me to train harder for many reasons. I have alot of respect for all of those who compeated. Once again thank you! J --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:30:20 -0500 (EST) From: gordon walker To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] native american martial arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net kumusta ka po, In reference to Mr. Ray Terry's question on Maori martial arts; Does anybody know of any native north american martial teachings that are still existent. or maybe extant, or not extinct. Ive heard this question before and only heard mention of a Wolverine system of martial arts that were practiced by a gentleman teaching tracking skills. cant remember the details at this moment, sorry. Any info that doesnt involve a native studying a oriental art would be appreciated. Sincerely, Gordon --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals --__--__-- Message: 7 To: Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 12:33:47 -0800 From: "rob zerby" Organization: QUALCOMM Eudora Web-Mail (http://www.eudoramail.com:80) Subject: [Eskrima] Pictures of FMA gathering in S.F. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I was wondering if any of the photos or videos that were taken at the Nov 2nd FMA gathering have made it to the web. Thanks! -rob z oakland eskrima club Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:35:03 -0800 From: To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Hickory Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Message: 11 > From: Ray Terry > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Inexpensive hickory > stick > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:07:01 -0800 (PST) > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > > > > It's 18" long, made of hickory, and has an > oval shape. > > I don't believe I've worked (as in wood > working) with hickory. Is it a hard > and brittle wood as is kamagong or a wood that > is difficult to break and > crack more like bahi? > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com Ray, Hickory is a strong and very tough wood with a fibrous and twisted grain. It is commonly used for axe and pick handles. Check out this link: http://www.aikiweb.com/weapons/graphics/graph.pdf AFAIK, Impact grade hickory is also referred to as hickory heart. Hope this helps. Paul --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:05:22 -0500 From: jason-couch@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] native american (and maori) martial arts To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > In reference to Mr. Ray Terry's question on Maori martial arts; Does anybody know of any native north american martial teachings that are still existent. or maybe extant, or not extinct. > Any info that doesnt involve a native studying a oriental art would be appreciated. I looked at one point and couldn't find anyone that didn't already have a base in a different style. There's a thread on this at www.mma.tv Go to the History Forum and click on "Saved threads" and it will be the first thread. I included a bunch of links Joe Svinth from www.ejmas.com found. As far as Maori arts go, I believe Tony Wolf (fight choreographer, associate editor of JManly Arts over at EJMAS) has seen some practiced. There should be some messages about it on the Exotic Weapons list at Yahoo (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Exoticweapons) or you can probably contact him direct through the Journal of Manly Arts over at www.ejmas.com Jason Couch --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Peter Gow" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 01:00:35 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Maori's Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray, In regards to Maori weapons. In the south pacific area their wooden weapons are the sturdiest, not necessarly the most flexible. In fact the British stole trench warfare from the Maori's. When the brits fought the maoris, the maoris had a system of trenches from which they fought from. As the maoris did not have rifles, this forced the brits to walk up to the trenches enabling the maoris to stab them with their spears, the trenches also allowed guerilla attacks from flanks - pincer movement - and skirmish raids. Most museums should have some maori weapons for you to look at. Also there are some modern arnis people in NZ that you could contact who may have more info regarding use of these weapons etc... Regards, PG   ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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