Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 03:01:51 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #408 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Iron wood information... (NAVARRO FULBERT) 2. Maori martial arts (bill m) 3. Kerambits: why the fuss? (Tom Valesky) 4. RE: native american martial arts (Mike Casto) 5. Re: Vol 9 #406 - 6 msgs --- cut verses slash (sgt evans) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:24:34 -0800 (PST) From: NAVARRO FULBERT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Iron wood information... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net GREETINGS ROCKY PASWK!!! Was that stick given to you by Grandmaster Remy Amador Presas himself?! WOW!!! I mean its such an honor to be given a stick by such a great person! According to your description of the "Iron Wood" as you call it, it matches that of a wood we call in the Philippines as Kamagong and I think it is called in the U.S. as Macassar ebony...it belongs to the ebony family. It is very hard and very dense indeed. Infact I have one myself! My father and my grandmother used to tell me that many of our ancestors used Kamagong in actual combat during world war two! One story my grandmother told me that it can even repel an attack of a machete, pinuti,and any other bladed weapon known but ofcourse with minimum damage to the kamagong stick itself. The tree from which it came from is very difficult to cut. Some furniture shops treasure their Kamagong works because of the difficulty to make it into a furniture thing and by the way, my father who was once an apprentice of my grandfather who was a carpenter told me that you cant drive a nail through a block of Kamagong without badly damaging the wood. Due to its renowned hardness, you have to drill a hole through it using drills specifically for steel working. The black colored stick comes from the lower part of the base itself while the red and brown sticks come from the middle section and upper section of the trunk respectively. The darker the color of the wood the harder it is that is why it is called "Iron Wood" because it resembles that of an unpolished piece of iron and it contains similar strength to that of iron. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "bill m" To: Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 20:42:59 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Maori martial arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I was in Hawaii in '93 and visited the Polynesian Cultural Center there. One section of the center had a performance of Maori war dances. After the show, I went up to a performer and asked about Maori martial arts. They used a short spear about 5 feet long. It was used as you would expect for a weapon of that length. What stuck in my mind was their unusually shaped war club. It was kind of like a really thick and heavy ping-pong paddle. The performer was familiar with FMA and said that the Maoris didn't used their club with the "long strikes" of FMA. They used it with a short snap of the wrist. He said in the old days chiefs had war clubs made of stone that took a century to grind down to shape. If I remember right he said that the best ones were made of jade. The main targets were the crown of the head and I think the jaw line and collar bones. He said that there were a very few old men still teaching the old arts. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath Email: tuhonbill@pekiti-tirsia.com PTI website: http://www.pekiti-tirsia.com/ --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Tom Valesky" To: Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 21:18:04 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Kerambits: why the fuss? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I seem to be hearing a lot about kerambits lately. What's all the fuss about? It seems to me that you lose more than you gain with that blade shape; it'd be a better slasher than an ordinary knife, but effective stabbing is pretty much impossible (at least with the short-bladed designs I've seen; and even with a long blade, it'd be pretty awkward, IMHO). Not trying to pick a fight; I'm willing to be convinced, but I don't see the advantage at first glance. Thanks, Tom Valesky --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] native american martial arts Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 22:13:40 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I've run into a few people over the years who've trained in Native American MA. But I don't really know anything about what was being studied ... I just remember references being made to it in discussions. Mike -----Original Message----- From: gordon walker [mailto:chenstyle44@yahoo.ca] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 2:30 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] native american martial arts kumusta ka po, In reference to Mr. Ray Terry's question on Maori martial arts; Does anybody know of any native north american martial teachings that are still existent. or maybe extant, or not extinct. Ive heard this question before and only heard mention of a Wolverine system of martial arts that were practiced by a gentleman teaching tracking skills. cant remember the details at this moment, sorry. Any info that doesnt involve a native studying a oriental art would be appreciated. Sincerely, Gordon --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "sgt evans" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 23:12:05 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Vol 9 #406 - 6 msgs --- cut verses slash Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Hi all, I found this interesting interview on this link: >http://www.realfighting.com/ under James Keating interview. > >I do not know very much about the gentleman but he makes some interesting >points about the ongoing slash vs. point debate in knife fighting. Possibly >people who know more about knife fighting on the digest may like to give >their comments. Jimboy Keating is a real piece of work. Hihi Others and I in the department have been cut. sad but true. Slash is ugly. Stabs more deadly. And a stab goes through vests more easy. Slash means we get a new one. Bill Evans _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest