Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 17:19:04 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #414 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: punch dagger (Slaughterhouse) 2. re; importing (Patrick Davies) 3. Moro rebels captured (Ray Terry) 4. re:importing (Gerald Chenevert) 5. Re: Secrets of the Samurai (Gints Klimanis) 6. Surgery (Elrik Gubisch Jundis) 7. Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #413 - Re/push daggers (T2J2M2@cs.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Slaughterhouse" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Re: punch dagger Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 02:49:01 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I know that push daggers are a prohibited weapon in Canada, along with butterfly knives and automatic knives. However you can carry a large fixed blade knife on you as long as it is not concealed. Folding knives of any length may be concealed as they are regarded as tools, unless you use that folder to either attack someone or defend yourself, it would then be classed as a concealed weapon. Oh, this is weird though...a fellow student of mine tried to get her sticks from the Phillipines as that is where her family had sent them. However it was stopped by Canada Customs (classed as a truncheon) due to the fact the sticks were "polished". Had they not have been polished, they would have crossed the border. Maybe the larger martial art supply stores have some sort of permit to import them...your guess would be as good as mine! --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Patrick Davies To: "'eskrima@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 09:58:56 -0000 Subject: [Eskrima] re; importing Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net < If you want Kamagong I am sure someone somewhere will ahve found a method to export it.> If we are here 'promoting' the arts of the Philipines and for some the culture of the philipinnes , I for one, think that there should be some sort of respect for the natural resources of the islands. The reason for an export ban is because of the distinct possibility that these woods will become extinct, raped, in some respect, to satisfy the ego of rich decadent westerners wanting to imitate stickfighting legends. In reality, the use of these woods isn't that necessary although I can respect the collectors urge[cue images of tiger heads on the hunters wall]. Its easier and cheaper to develop alternatives that not only satisfy the development of the art but also preserve the indigenous state of the islands that developed the arts. If it weren't for the art the vast majority wouldn't give a flying f*ck about the Phillipinnes would we? (http://www.woodweb.com/~treetalk/frame.html): Kamagong (Diospyros ebenaster) Kamagong (Diospyros inclusa) Kamagong (Diospyros melanoxylon) Kamagong (Diospyros mindanaensis) Kamagong (Diospyros pyrrhocarpa) Diospyros ebenaster East Indian ebony Diospyros inclusa East Indian ebony Diospyros melanoxylon East Indian ebony Diospyros mindanaensis East Indian ebony Diospyros pyrrhocarpa East Indian ebony --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 11:30:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] Moro rebels captured Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net 12 Moro rebels captured or surrender Saturday, November 30, 2002 The government said on Friday a dozen local Muslim militants, including several linked to al Qaeda, were captured or surrendered in the south of the country. The military successes will provide some cheer to President Arroyo, who has been battling to put down rebel groups and improve the country's security -- a major source of concern among foreign investors and tourists. Australia and Canada closed their Manila missions on Thursday, citing evidence of credible terror threats. They and other countries have also stepped up warnings about travel to the Philippines, which is expected to deal a further blow to government efforts to attract tourists and investors. Three members of the Abu Sayyaf group were arrested on their Basilan island stronghold on Thursday, near police headquarters in the town of Lamitan, military officials told reporters. The trio were suspected of spying on the station. Abu Sayyaf, involved in a series of kidnappings of foreigners and Filipinos in the largely Catholic country in the past two years, is still holding three Indonesian seamen and four Filipino evangelists. U.S. and Philippine intelligence agencies have linked the group to the al Qaeda network, Washington's prime suspect in the September 11 attacks in New York and Washington last year. In a separate incident, nine guerrillas from the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) gave themselves up to pursuing troops in Mindanao on Wednesday, said Lieutenant-Colonel Daniel Lucero, a spokesman for the army's southern command. The MILF has been seeking an independent Muslim homeland in Mindanao for decades. Lucero said soldiers recovered a large cache of weapons from the MILF group, including a shoulder-fired rocket launcher. "Their leader claimed in the initial interrogation that they had decided to leave the revolutionary front because of their desire to live in a peaceful environment with their families," he said. Government troops, some of whom received counter-terrorism training from U.S. soldiers this year, have been intensifying efforts to track down extremist groups in the south in recent months but have had mixed success. Military officials said the three captured Abu Sayyaf members were among a group of rebels suspected of abducting 35 civilians from Lamitan last year. Ten of the hostages were later beheaded. Troops also killed a suspected member of the communist New People's Army and captured another -- a teenaged girl -- during a pursuit operation in Mindanao on Thursday. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Gerald Chenevert" To: Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 16:04:28 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] re:importing Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings to all! Fisrt of all I would like to applaud the members here; you are all respectful and knowledgeable. I've learned a tremendous amount lurking in the shadows and I feel it is time to post. I play at beind a woodworker and I have turned and shaped many different woods. For the purpose of eskrima sticks I would recommend white ash, hickory, maple, or the like. These are really tough woods! I've tried oak, koa(a Hawaiian wood), ipe(S.American) but not kamagong or bahi. At any rate these woods are EXTREMELY hard and therefore brittle as previously stated. I once had a prized pair of red oak sticks which BOTH split after only a few minutes of play. Harder is not necessarily better! Martial arts have always been about adaptation to adversity. When iron and steel were not available then our martial forefathers went for wood that would stand up in battle. In the Phillipines it was a logical choice to pick kamagong and bahi over rattan for their battle sticks. I would hazard a guess if they had white ash like I do here in New England, or a good grade of hickory, then these woods would have taken precedence. My pair of white ash heartwood sticks have outlasted any of the others I've ever tried. My usual stick training partner is a 200 lb wooden dummy who hasn't been able to beat my sticks yet! I intend no disrespect to anyone, I just feel it is our duty to be adaptable and to try to preserve the endangered species of our planet. Too many species have already been wiped out by our hands. With all due respects, Gerald _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 15:13:34 -0800 From: Gints Klimanis Organization: none To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Secrets of the Samurai Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Secrets of the Samurai - hardcover, 483 pages, illustrated, explaining in > > detail the weapons, techniques, principals and strategies of combat. > > Originally $40, currently on sale at Barnes & Nobel for $10. Worth > > picking up at that price. > > > > Ray Terry Amazon.com also offers this book for $9.95 . Take advantage of their free holiday shipping offer for orders over $25. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 13:57:17 -0800 From: Elrik Gubisch Jundis To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Surgery Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Note the pre-surgery pic of Elrik in #7. :) Ray, you are bad and wrong :) Cheers, Elrik --__--__-- Message: 7 From: T2J2M2@cs.com Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 19:43:10 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #413 - Re/push daggers Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Carrying a belt push dagger would probably be considered carrying a concealed weapon, it might, depending on the prosecutor, be considered "looking for trouble." I know some people on this board will get all worked up about my opinion of carrying a knife for self defense (the police, judges and juries tend to look down on knife carrying people). The mean reason is that you have to get down and dirty with a knife. Most people who are EFFECTIVE with a knife don't let their opponent see it. And there lies the problem. A surprise move with a knife is no way to impress a jury. To make matters worst, instead of punching a man in the face, you use a push dagger to the face. A picture is worth a thousand words, and a person with a face sliced wide open is probably worth $100,000 and 15 years in the state pen. If he dies, its life without parole. Besides, you may not be able to claim self-defense if you bring a knife into a fight. What it looks like you did 2 things, escalated the level of force, and carrying and using a concealed weapon. As Peyton Quinn would say, you need a stay out of prison plan. Prison food sucks. You MUST consider the aftermath of your actions. IF you find that you must constantly carry a knife for defense, either you are deliberately running with a bad crowd, and are somewhat foolish, or you need to move, or both. Well, I am not a lawyer, but a work in prison. I know several people who did time (1-5 years) for getting into a bar fight. It seems to me that using a knife in a fight would only make matters worst in the aftermath. If you insist on carrying and using a knife, use your head. Tim Moskal T2J2M2@cs.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest