Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 03:01:49 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #416 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Tournaments in along the East Coast (M2341@aol.com) 2. Re: Maori martial arts (Ray Terry) 3. Re: Re: Tournaments in along the East Coast (Mike Casto) 4. Re: MILF (Bill Lowery) 5. paddle club (John Cipkar) 6. Maori Warrior Arts... (Guro Dave Gould) (KaliDave@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: M2341@aol.com Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:39:46 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Tournaments in along the East Coast Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello everyone. I have been wanting to find out information regarding tournaments along the east coast and this digest will probably know as much as any other source. Though I have been training for 4 years I have never competed so I look forward to participating in a tournment or even being a spectator. If anyone has any information please let me know. Peace, Truth, and Understanding Michael --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Maori martial arts To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 13:40:00 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > The paddle (ping pong this time) is used like tuhon said with more of a > wrist snap. They also block by turning the paddle to the side, as if you > were doing a wrist curl or reverse wrist curl with your right hand, but > with your hand turned counterclockwise a quarter turn (90 degrees). They > would specifically target areas where the bones met (like the collarbone > joint), as the penetration of the weapon was good there. He added that > the area where the elbow joint folds is a target as well. The "ping pong > war club" was shown as part of the dance show at the end. Drat. I saw some items such as this at a local crafts show in Kapa'a on Kaua'i, but just thought they were decorative woodworked items. I was looking to pick up a/some war club/s. Guess I should have asked about them, but then I tend to not ask for diretions while driving, either. Now I have yet another reason to return to Hawai'i... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:37:02 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Casto Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Tournaments in along the East Coast To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net It's not on the east coast, per se ... but there's a stickfighting division at the Arnold Classic in Columbus, OH. This year, it's 2/28/2003 & 2/29/2003. Mike --- M2341@aol.com wrote: > Hello everyone. I have been wanting to find out > information regarding > tournaments along the east coast and this digest > will probably know as much > as any other source. Though I have been training > for 4 years I have never > competed so I look forward to participating in a > tournment or even being a > spectator. If anyone has any information please let > me know. > > Peace, Truth, and Understanding > Michael > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima ===== Mike Casto I.M.P.A.C.T. Academy - http://www.impactacademy.com Asian Fighting Arts - http://www.asianfightingarts.com Lansdale's Self-Defense - http://www.joerlansdale.com/shenchuan Martial Arts Seminar Listing Page - http://seminars.guild-hall.com Martial Arts School Database - http://schools.guild-hall.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Bill Lowery" To: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 01:24:58 -0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: MILF Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Gints, Being from the UK, I have to say I'm not familiar with this American term. What does it mean...;-) Bill --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "John Cipkar" To: Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 19:53:39 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] paddle club Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I hit the PCC in June this year and became fascinated with the Polynesian arts as well. After a little research on the paddle club I found the wooden clubs are referred to as 'patu' by the Aotearoan culture and the same clubs in Jade are referred to as 'mere'. Naturally you have to play with a patu, they have a magnetic quality for experimentation. I found the patu work well in flicking deflections, because of the mass at the whacking end and they also produce a pretty fair circulo for return striking in spite of their length (about 16 inches) and wide grip area. Incidentally, I also just found out about a book , 'Maori Weapons in Pre-European New Zealand' by Jeff Evans. I am attempting to acquire it and I'll post a review once I get my hands on it. My 2 cents and Happy Holidays to All, John Cipkar > Tuhon, Ray and Peter, > > I just visited the PCC this week-end, and had pretty much the same > experience. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: KaliDave@aol.com Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 22:05:49 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Maori Warrior Arts... (Guro Dave Gould) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi guys, I hope that all is well with everyone. Although i`m not an expert in the Maori Warrior arts I have had the privelidge of training in them for a short stint while in New Zealand a few years back. Based on my short experience with the Culture, People and Warrior art I will share some insight on the subject for those interested. Basically I was in Australia and New Zealand doing a couple of private seminars and in my free time I ventured to the Maori Cultural Museum and caught the dance and weapons show in Auckland. After the show I went to the one Warrior (Taniora Maihi) who really impressed me the most and I struck up a conversation with him. What should have been a 10 minute conversation turned into a 3 hour encounter and lead to an invitation to continue the topic later over a night out on the town. Tani and I later hooked up and compared techniques and warrior philosophy in my hotel room before setting out into Auckland to take in some sights. There were so many similarities in technique and mindset that he thought that I had studied the arts from another Maori. When I told him that what I was doing was from the Malay warrior arts he wouldn`t believe me and would repeat that those movements which I was doing were pure Maori and that no one else could have them unless they had previous contact with Maori tribes. I was demonstrating my techniques with a knife and he was using the traditional wooden Patu (Bush club). After being totally impressed by the similarities between Maori and Malay, especially in the mindset that Tani possessed, I began to inquire about the art and where it could be studied. He told me that there were no serious schools which taught the arts to the public other than for tourist reasons. Basically it was offered to other Maori in the tourist industry to train in the dances, basket weaving, and weapon demonstrations which were in existance only to establish cultural troops to perform and share their culture locally in New Zealand and abroad. He said that if I were interested he could hook me up with a tribal member of his who had a strong root into the Warrior arts in Rotorua. I took him up on the offer and while in Rotorua I began a martial journey. The three main weapons used were the Wahaika, Patu, and Hani-taiaha. The Patu and Wahaika were short bush clubs and the Hani-taiaha was the long oar type weapon with a spear point on one end ( in traditional Silver fern design and Maori head with tongue extended for disrespect of the enemy). I was shown the Haka (Warrior dance) and its implications in combat. Then I was told the implication of "Ta Moca" (Facial Tatoos for warriors) and the defiant attitude and intimidation displayed in extending the tongue out to show no fear of your opponent. once these things were discussed at length we began to practice various techniques with the Patu. The Patu was the most common weapon used in warring with neighboring tribes in New Zealand and from abroad (Wood, Whale bone and Jade). As New Zealand was all dense Virgin Rain Forest up until the British came and cut most of the forest down for raising sheep and cattle during the land wars between the British Crown and Indigenous Maori peoples. Anyway since the environment was heavily congested with Rain Forest the most obvious weapon of choice would have to be short enough to wield in the thickest most congested areas of New Zealand. There were alot of wrist snapping techniques similar to a "pintok" or "wetik" in the pilipino arts. in addition there were strong thrusting, slashing with the blade and strikes with the flat and but of the weapon. All of the techniques were demonstrated with the defiant aggression expressed in typical Maori mindset. Quite impressive... The Patu and Wahaika were worn with a wrist leash whereby the weapon could be thrown into the face of the opponent, and recovered at close range for distraction. The finishing strikes always involved closing with aggression using the sharp wooden blade of the patu to chisel into and pop off the brain cap intended to kill the enemy at critical close range combat. All in all I was very impressed with the overall experience and am happy for the opportunity to venture into the mindset of the Maori, if only for a few days. I feel fortunate for the experience to say the least. I hope that this adds some insight into the topic for those who have an interest in such things, Ciao guys. Guro Dave Gould. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest