Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 14:55:03 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #426 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Inayan Eskrima / FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Runner's World and Performance (Khalkee@netscape.net) 2. Re- Stab n Slash (rocky pasiwk) (Young Forest) 3. Re: Al and Doug's Position on Language and Culture in the FMA (Ernest Westbrook) 4. FMA haikus...? (Stickgrappler108) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 14:03:16 -0500 From: Khalkee@netscape.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Runner's World and Performance Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The January 2003 issue of Runner's World magazine presents some clear info re: nutrition in general and nutrition for athletic performance. Helpful to all. __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Young Forest" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 14:30:52 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re- Stab n Slash (rocky pasiwk) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >On the other hand I was witness to a man >who got beat up, and I knelt down over him to see if he was ok needed to go >the hospital or what not, and some guy walked up behind me and stuck a >knife >in my back just above my kidney, but not two far in, may be .25 in it >really >didn't even bleed that much, but man it felt like I was going to die!!! My >stomach got quezy and everything. I think it had to do with my body not >being in a fighting mode. Similar thing happened to me - handling a bayonet that had just a shade too much oil on it, slipped out of my hands and into my knee. Grumping and cursing, I limp off to the washroom to clean out the hole and take a look. Halfway down the hall, I faint. Now, before anybody starts making comments, no, I'm not squemish or anemic - didn't even hurt that much really, and very little blood loss. Shock is a funny, funny thing. Badger Ottawa ON _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Ernest Westbrook" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 20:02:22 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Al and Doug's Position on Language and Culture in the FMA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "Doug Marcaida" has posted the following: >>"The true art of the Filipino Martial Arts can be found in the cultural >>dances, the plays, the farmers, the craftsmen, in the history books, etc. >>of the Philippines, the roots. Not strikes angles 1 to 12. Not disarms #1 >>to 12. Remove the roots and you will be mediocre, you will have a dead >>art. Embrace the roots and you will be exceptional."- Al -Sardinas >If I may add to Al Sardinas response, If you have ever noticed the >differences between Filipinos who were born and raised in the Philippines >and other practitioners who learned it elsewhere, the fact of the matter is >that you may have the moves, you may know the techniques, but there >will always be something missing. To both Al and Doug, I would suggest that some people only want to know and use the angles be it 5, 7 , 9, 12 or 21.  Some peeple are quite proud of their own culture and have adapted and blended the FMAs into their own culture be it American, Canadian, English, German, Brazian, etc.  Are saying that these people are "wrong" or "ineffective" or unable to know and do thier particular version of the FMAs well?  And are you including Filipinos born and raised outside of RP in this group of of people who are missing something?  What if these people do not care if they are missing whatever it is that you feel is not there?  Who is to be the final judge of what is proper and orthodox, the people learning the art or the people believe that it is necessary to always learn the culture and langauge as well as the art? Be careful in answering me because I am one of these people who steadfastly have been critical of the holders and users of the title 'datu" because I believe that their usage of the title shows cultural insensitivity; however, I can not believe that and yet stand quiet when I see something that is reversing that insensitivity consideration.  Understand that I am not adverse to the teaching of langauges, dances, customs, literature and the like within martial arts training.  However, if your position is "the correct orthodox" one that martial artists must assume to be within the pale relm of correctness, then no one could be considered a "complete" martial artist in any system or style of Chinese, Japanese, Okinawan, Malsayian, Indonesian, etc. unless they understood the languages history, dress, literature, etc. of that culture. You are asking for and establishing a standard that approaches a university degree program at the Masters or Doctoral level of study.  You are setting a standard that requires people to put in 5 - 8 hours of time a day for at least 6 if not 8 to 10 years of study, so that they will have "everything" that they need before they have the "complete martial arts program".  Also consider that there are at least 70 langauges and dialects within the Philippines - which langauge and corresponding cultures are the students going to be required to learn under your vision of "true art of the Filipino Martial Arts"?   Is it possible and necessary to know the arts of the Muslim South, the Visayan Central or the Luzonian North?   What happens if one or two of these regions are not covered in the training.  What about the people who aspecialize in only the single baston, or those who are taught only the espada y daga styles or the doblete styles.  BTW what would be the prefered range, largo, medio or corto?  Would empty hand be taught?  Which words would we use for grappling - buno or dumog?  If my understanding of Filipino culture and langauges is correct, thes latter two words are not even known in several of the Filipino langage groups.  And then we have that old arguement about Kali being the "mother art" of all FMAs regardless of the local, tribal and regional names that are used even today in the Philippines. But really, fellows, I am not opposed to you believing whatever you want, I just want you to consider the full implications of what your position could mean to all those folks who have taken to the FMAs.  Everyone did not get into these arts for the same reasons nor do they all want the same things from the FMAs for themselves.    Regarding Guro Dan's statement - was he refering to himself or Guro De Leon?  That was not entirely clear to me since I do not know who Guro De Leon is or what he does.  I am not being disrepectful, but simply stating that I am unfamiliar with this particular instructor. >The Filipino Martial Arts are a direct result of the need to >survive. If you have been to the Philippines , you will see that we are >survivalist. It is this menatality that keeps us alive, Fron this stems the >terms "Laging Una"-always first, Bahala na basta hindi magpapatalo kahit >kanino" - whatever happens -happens as long as we'll not loose to >anyone,  "gulangan kung gulangan"-dirty fighting...sure! Now does it >really matter if you miss this one thing ? Is this going to make you any >lesser of a skilled FMA practitioner? maybe it might maybe it might not, It >all dependson the individual. I just wanted to point out the difference that >gives us pinoys that certain mindset.  I have to say that I do not see any difference between the survival mentality of South Central LA, Bed-Sty in NYC and various other ghettos and barrios in the USA.  There are cultural differences, but fighting to survive and doing what it takes to make it is universial.  Pinoys, Home Boys, or Bro's, none of it makes any difference to me because either one rises up and survives or one gets stomped, trampled and left for dead.  The culture of poverty ond death is very similar where ever it is found!  >To me, The Filipino Martial Arts is a mentality of fighting to survive...that >we are the ones who walk away alive. The techniques, the skills..well you >don't need to re-invent the wheel, all true martial arts figure out the same >things anyway. It's just that in the Filipino Martial Arts we view things in >terms of combat. And the true nature of combat is weaponry not >emptyhands. it is the equalizer!  Weapons do make it easier to do the quick and terrible damage that is necessary in many cases to escape alive from a confrontation, but I will tell you this Douglas, dealing with Mexicans and knives is an education every bit as informative as going to the Philippines.  Growing up in LA, I was a whole lot closer to Mexico than the Philippines.  I had to deal with Mexicans long before I visited the Philippines, so a knife was not unknow thing to me at 26 in Manila. >That is why Tuhon Leo Gaje always says "come to where the flavor is, >come to Kali country"- Don't just drink from any fountain, drink from the >source. For those of you who train the Filipino Arts and don't give a >damn about the Philippines, well it's a free country here in the USA, you >are entitled to your opinions but you practice our art and don't have a >sense of gratitude or respect toward the land where the art you are >learning came from?-if you went to the Philippines you probably would >have learned that we have a thing called "debt of gratitude"-pasalamat. >Just an advice, keep it to yourself and don't let other Filipinos in your art >hear about it unless you want to see if we give a damn about how you feel >about our country from which you are learning the FMA.   I can not and will not speak for others, but I believe that debts of gratitude often are two ways.  In regard to the FMAs, I am well aware of what I owe in terms of my training and conceptual awareness.  But I also know that without the interest developed within the USA and Germany, the FMAs would still be struggling to get out of the backwaters of the martailarts world.  I am well aware that Remy Presas, Dan Inosanto, Angel Cables, and Leo Gaje were of monumental importance in popularizing the FMAs in the USA and beyond... in fact without these people the arts might well have died even in RP. Just my thoughts on this matter. EBrook THE Wicked Western Warlock ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Stickgrappler108" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:33:35 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] FMA haikus...? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hello, i started a thread on the Dog Brothers forum on composing haikus on the FMA with little replies so far :-( i figured maybe throw this idea to the ED list: for those not familiar with haikus, they are Japanese poems which follow this rigid structure: 1st line is 5 syllables; 2nd line is 7 syllables; last line is 5 syllables the westernization of the haiku has one scheme of 3-5-3. Yoda and i composed western haikus of 3-5- 3: Haiku by YODA Rattan Stick "Oops up side your head" Sweet music FANG CHOKE by Stickgrappler ARGH!!! Fang Choke! Pressure on my throat! Tapping out. FMA Drilling by Stickgrappler Partner drills. Ah, rattan burning, That sweet smell! anyone else? --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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