Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 03:01:48 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #441 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: the bruce lee question (Mike Casto) 2. training in the philippines (Christian Farinetto) 3. Kali?? again?? (GatPuno@aol.com) 4. list slow over the holidays (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:10:11 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Casto Subject: Re: [Eskrima] the bruce lee question To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I don't think it's ever a good idea to idolize. No one is perfect ... period. No matter how good a person is, they will eventually fall (or jump) off any pedestal we put them on. I learned this when I was 15. I idolized my uncle Dave. He was great. He taught me how to throw knives and axes. He taught me the basics of using a lasso and a whip. He didn't teach me how to shoot guns ... but he taught me a lot about shooting guns. It was like having a best friend who was 13 years older than me and a lot more worldly. When his sister's ex-husband started stalking her, Dave and a friend of his went and knocked on the ex's door, both of them armed for bear. When the guy answered the door, Dave explained that if he even heard a rumor that his sister was being stalked again, he and his friend would come back ... and they wouldn't knock. The stalking stopped. When a group of dogs went feral in the woods across from where I lived, my uncle and his friend went into the woods and hunted the pack of dogs down to prevent them from killing neighborhood pets ... or, worse, kids. He was, in my estimation, the greatest man in the world. In February or March of 1987, my uncle drove to a hotel about 20 minutes from his home and checked in. He put his head against the side of the bed, put a .45 behind his right ear, and ... I probably don't need to go any further with that description. My world was shattered. Superman had clutched a hunk of kryptonite to his chest and plummeted from the sky. Not to save anyone. Not for anything noble. Simply because he couldn't stand the overall shambles of his life anymore (and, in all fairness, he'd had an extraordinarily screwed up life). It took me about 6 years to fully come to grips with his death. Idols break ... period. Don't idolize. Don't be cynical. Respect people. Admire people. Have role models. But recognize that *everyone* has faults ... and sometimes, for all a person's strengths, their weaknesses can still be immense ... overwhelming in some instances. Otherwise, you're just setting yourself up for a lot of pain. Mike --- Jasper Liao wrote: > Cheers for the responses...I'm aware that this topic > is old territory but for a youngster (22) like me > its > a question that deserves some discussion. Bruce Lee > was always an idol for me in my years in the MA's, > as > I'm sure he was and still is for many. I'm also > aware > (now) that there's no such thing as a truly flawless > idol, and so it brings up the question of whether it > is good to idolize people at all. I think this is > especially pertinant to the MA's because of their > master/student traditions, and the idolized status > that we sometimes give our masters/teachers. But > maybe that's just part of learning. > > Jasper Liao > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima ===== Mike Casto I.M.P.A.C.T. Academy - http://www.impactacademy.com Asian Fighting Arts - http://www.asianfightingarts.com Lansdale's Self-Defense - http://www.joerlansdale.com/shenchuan Martial Arts Seminar Listing Page - http://seminars.guild-hall.com Martial Arts School Database - http://schools.guild-hall.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:43:12 +0100 (MET) From: Christian Farinetto To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] training in the philippines Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Joseph de Condappa, forgive my english as I am French. It is really a good idea to go to the Philippines to train in M.A. but you should be carefull with the people you will train with. Manila has the largest concentration of G.masters although many foreigners don't like to stay there (not my case, I am a Manila boy now...) and prefer to go to Cebu. They often gather in the chinese gardens in Luneta park on a sunday afternoon.... You will also find usefull contacts in the Rapid martial arts magazine. You should be careful with some modern "famous associations" (no names given here) claiming to have links abroad, who will charge you 500 U$ or more for a week because you are a foreigner and will teach you scr.... I suggest that you have a look at different organisations and watch closely the level of the students learning there. It is a good idea to look for the old styles,"traditional Arnis" as pinoys call it, the training is very different from what we see in the west. It might be quite tough at the begining (not adapted to foreigners) and you won't probably learn the empty hands at an early stage, but it will be pure philippino battle tested techniques.... If you don't like Manila, Cebu city has a famous martial arts culture and if you ask many people there can give you the location of an escrima association. Good luck, Dr. Christian Farinetto. -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. Rund um die Uhr für 1 ct/ Min. surfen! --__--__-- Message: 3 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:07:08 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Kali?? again?? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Mark harrel, said: > However, this Kali, Eskrima, or Arnis name thing is such a tired and > completely worn out topic that just re-opens the old "what came first, the > chicken or the egg? debate again". > > Mark, I agree that Kali and Eskrima, Arnis term is worn out topic. but I strongly disagree to compare it to egg and chicken. Why? Well everyone know egg came from chicken and chicken from egg. But in the Arnis case, We know Arnis, Eskrima came from the Philippines, and nationally used that term, and difinitely not came from Kali, because is un-known 99.9% in our country. A most difinitely we dont know where the Kali came from, all we know is claimed from the FMA that migrated here in USA. In my opinion, Arnis, Eskrima is the mother art of Kali, becaused Arnis and eskrima are well documemted in our History. Kali word just recently claimed on early 60's or even 70's during the populartiy of Filipino Martial Arts here in US. I never heard of its name since I came here in the US., Weather you call it arnis, eskrima, or today kali, in the US this is Filipino Martial Arts. But in the Philippines, if you dont have contact in the US based FMA, Kali is still un-known. The Arts is commonnly used term is Arnis, Ekrima or even Estokadada. Gumagalang/with respect, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:51:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] list slow over the holidays Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net fyi, I'll be out of town for the holidays, but the list will hopefully remain up during that time. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry, http://MartialArtsResource.com, http://Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest