Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 03:01:49 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #443 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. what's the difference... beside names (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Harald_Eckm=FCller?=) 2. Re: the bruce lee question (Mike Casto) 3. Indonesian meaning (Ray Terry) 4. Re: the bruce lee question (Mike Casto) 5. Back to the history of FMA (GatPuno@aol.com) 6. RE: smells (Patrick Davies) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Harald_Eckm=FCller?= To: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 00:15:30 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] what's the difference... beside names Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hi everybody! i'm altogether new to this list and neither very experienced in the ma, nor is english my mother tongue - so please look mildly upon any stupid things i might do ;-) i wanted to ask about the "real" differences between all those styles of "eskrima" (or arnis, kali or whatever term i heared so far). i'm studying eskrima in austria, a country where you don't have much choice of teachers - nor styles. The only school i found so far teaches "latosa" (rene latosa as far as i know) eskrima. Although i could find a wealth of information about various styles of escrima, as well as some rare hints as from where mr. latso seems to come from, i slowly get a solid feeling that what i learn may be "very" far away from traditional escrima. As i said already, i don't know much, so it would be very much appreciated if someone could find the spare-time to tell me what different (larger or smaler families) of styles are know, what makes them different from each other (empathis on certain techniques or whatever) and what possible telltales there are to discern one style from another. since i won't be able to roam the world for quite some years i'll be forced to stay with what i do now, but i would like to learn different styles as well and therefore would like to know what may be of interrest for me. thanks in advance, Harald Eckmüller --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:40:57 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Casto Subject: Re: [Eskrima] the bruce lee question To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Well said, Marc. One of the things that cracks me up is that this is, to the best of my understanding, exactly what Bruce himself meant by statements like, "I'm just a finger pointing to the moon." Mike > Consider him a draw in the index catalouge > in a library, not the > whole catalouge, nor the books themselves. He will > introduce you to concepts > that others have spent their entire lives studying > and, in doing so, show > you paths for research and understanding in those > subjects that you can > pursue. However, you must do the research yourself. > In doing this you will > discover many things that Lee didn't know or > understand but are well > understood in that field. Because face it, you can't > know everything about > everything. (and then there is that sobering > thought of my age and dead ten > years). > > Use him as an inspiration, but as an inspiration to > learn and grow on your > own path, not his. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima ===== Mike Casto I.M.P.A.C.T. Academy - http://www.impactacademy.com Asian Fighting Arts - http://www.asianfightingarts.com Lansdale's Self-Defense - http://www.joerlansdale.com/shenchuan Martial Arts Seminar Listing Page - http://seminars.guild-hall.com Martial Arts School Database - http://schools.guild-hall.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:41:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] Indonesian meaning Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net FWIW, from http://nlp.aia.bppt.go.id/kebi/, an online Indonesian dictionary. Root Word : kali Derivation : sekali-sekali Part of Speech : Adverb Meaning : sometimes Derivation : sekali-kali Part of Speech : Adverb Meaning : if 'sekali-kali' is in collocation with 'tidak', it means never; not at all Derivation : pengali Part of Speech : Noun Meaning : multiplier Derivation : perkalian Part of Speech : Noun Meaning : multiplication (in mathematics) Derivation : kali <--------------------------- Part of Speech : Noun Meaning : time; times Meaning : small river Derivation : sekali Part of Speech : Adverb Meaning : once; one time Derivation : berkali-kali Part of Speech : Adverb Meaning : repeatedly; again and again Derivation : sekalian Part of Speech : Determiner Meaning : all Derivation : mengalikan Passive Form : dikalikan Part of Speech : Verb Meaning : multiply (in mathematics) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:44:07 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Casto Subject: Re: [Eskrima] the bruce lee question To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Oops ... I hit send before I'd finished my thought. "I'm just a finger pointing to the moon." ... It cracks me up that this very concept which Marc discussed is so often overlooked by "true believers." Bruce flat out told people, (paraphrasing) "I'm not 'the thing' ... there is no 'thing' ... I'm just a signpost pointing the way ... you've got to find and walk the path yourself." But this is often overlooked by "true believers" who take everything (except these statements) that Bruce said as gospel. Mike ===== Mike Casto I.M.P.A.C.T. Academy - http://www.impactacademy.com Asian Fighting Arts - http://www.asianfightingarts.com Lansdale's Self-Defense - http://www.joerlansdale.com/shenchuan Martial Arts Seminar Listing Page - http://seminars.guild-hall.com Martial Arts School Database - http://schools.guild-hall.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 19:46:44 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Back to the history of FMA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In a message he said: > > QUESTION: Everyone knows that the terms Eskrima and Arnis are not of true > Filipino origin so why would the Filipino people name their so called > indigenous pre-outsider influence martial arts after the Spanish/French > terms for fencing? > > I agree that Eskrima or Arnis are not pure Filipino terms, it's in many Filipino Martial Art's history. You should go back and find why they adapted those names. A lot of you dont know, but you must find out before studying the FMA. Try to do your homework before touching a sensitive subject, but I tell you this, 101% sure, the Filipino arts is flexible in a sence, bendable, stretchable,learnable but no limitation of flow like rivers and un-measureable. But the philosophy and principles are of pure Filipino origin with Pride, Passion and Perfection. In regards to Guro Marc Deny,no negative feelings towards you have been said, you do your way and yes we do ours (Kanya-kanya lang yan) that is yours and this is mine. And lastly, Mark Harrel, I agree with you. Keep your hard work out, it might be needed later. Salamat at Gumagalang/thank with respect, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation International Hilot Research Center USA --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Patrick Davies To: "'eskrima@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:53:41 -0000 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: smells Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Concerning body odours, I had a student who had crones disease. He washed many times during the day, used many sprays etc. Changed his shirt during training but it was a medical condition that he couldn't control. When other students realised it they seemed to drop their objection. When well he still comes and trains and is welcomed by the class. However, I did have to train recently in a ne waza (groundwork) session with someone that was wearing the bottoms he would wear at his work at the chicken factory. Looked like they had been worn for a year or two without a wash and im afraid my patience got lost when he tried to put my head between his legs. Worst of all was training at a seminar where we worked a lot of hubud drilling. I came home with a skin rash thanks to the person who's personal hygiene left something to be required. So after a few experiences I have 'matured' enough to be polite in being direct as there is a breadth of standards, except in the extreme cases where I recognise that the person has no self respect anyway so it will be wasted breath. Seasonal Greetings Pat Davies --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry, http://MartialArtsResource.com, http://Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest