Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 03:01:51 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #450 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Help: Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: Send Eskrima mailing list submissions to eskrima@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Eskrima digest..." <<---- The Sudlud-Inayan/Eskrima/Kali/Arnis/FMA mailing list ---->> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Hello (Dave) 2. Flips Disagreeing Among Ourselves Re FMA Terms (Leo Salinel) 3. Spanish, Eskrima and ketones (TABULA RAZA) 4. FMA styles and differences/The joys of Brotherhood (chanoaim@bellsouth.net) 5. Eskrima in Bangkok (Karol Krauser) 6. Re: Arnis and Eskrima as Filipino Terms and You do what you (Nolan Hernandez) 7. Re:Mongrel combatve Arts club (Beungood@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Dave" To: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:25:24 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Hello Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I am currently a taekwondo stylist with Okinawn Kobudo and Goju training. I would like to train win the art of escrima and am wondering if there are any schools in the Middletown NY area. I would appreciate any input. Thank You, On a Quest --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:55:58 -0800 (PST) From: Leo Salinel To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Flips Disagreeing Among Ourselves Re FMA Terms Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Guro Marc, Hehehe, you're right. If only we Flips agreed among ourselves in the first place. Well, I'm telling you, the sad fact is that most (about 97%) of the famous masters are unlettered and are what we here in the Philippines call "no read no write"--that is, barely literate enough to scratch their names laboriously using a ballpen on a document. The few FMA masters who are educated just aren't sociologists or historians or adequately well versed in history and critical thinking. I can recommend one very good FMA instructor who is an anthropologist and a real intellectual, being a professor at the University of the Philippines (our country's own Harvard), Prof. "Bot" Jocano, the son of one of the country's more eminent pioneering anthropologists, Dr. F. Landa Jocano, Ph.D. also of the U.P. He doesn't dismiss "Kali" wholesale but admits, like me, that the term is quite problematic, and he points out the same stuff I've already pointed out. So let me rephrase my statement--if you non-Flips wanna learn about FMA terms and concepts, without getting muddled in what we Flips call "kwentong istir" or "kwentong barbero" (tall tales and tongue-in-cheek stories), then you should ask people like Dr. Ned Nepangue, Prof. Bot Jocano, myself, and a lot of other "relatively" more schooled Flips who also do FMA. BTW, is the term "Flip" derogatory in the States? Bart Hartmann is right. If you guys get here to the country, you have to do things our way. You better start off by not using the word "kali" but instead using "arnis" or "escrima" (the latter if you're in northern Mindanao or a Cebuano, Waray, or Boholano provincial area; the first word if you're anywhere else in the Philippines). Besides, in most regions/provinces, the FMA are known by even more "strange" names--kaliradman, pagaradman, pagkalikali, kalirongan, etc. BTW, don't you notice a common element in the words I just mentioned, i.e., the root word KALI? My kababayan who mentioned "kali" in "dimapakali" forgot that the word is not actually "kali", rather it's "mapakali" with a strong accent on the "i". BTW, any Ilocanos or Fil-Ams of Ilocano origin here who has been to the Ilocos lately and can tell us some "kabaroan" or "kadaanan" stories? ===== Earn $$ just by receiving and reading email! http://www.resource-a-day.net/member/index.cgi?Brandon96 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:48:50 -1000 (HST) From: TABULA RAZA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Spanish, Eskrima and ketones Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net About Spanish in Eskrima, Has anyone ever thought about the influence about the Katipuneros in Eskrima? They were educated in Spain and learned fencing. And many were concentrated in the North and some in Cebu, which may explain why some of the longer styles, and linear ( not all, but some) primarily exist in these areas? If you think about the revolutionary influence they had nationwide in the Philippines, they may have had a immense impact on its development. Just a thought I had brewing for a year or so. In a Rapid Journal in the Philippines, I read about eskrima and cabalism, or Jewish mysticism developed in Spain (I know, its debatable, but that's the primary origin in current historical paradigm). Now how the heck does cabalism of the Jews get down to the Philppines? The Spanish? The Jews? Or maybe Spain educated Katipuneros who also indoctrinated it into their eskrima curriculm. About ketones - I got the info from a doctor who was writing on fasting. Ketones, a product of fat burning, is in his view, toxic, so hence, a toxin. Now, he ain't referring to just fat around the belly, but toxic heart stopping fat lodged deep in tissues, capillaries and stuff. Like a cyst, which is primarily fat and water, is in some doctors view, a buildup of toxins. Fasts burn these pockets of life-killing fat, these toxins. Now the body needs fat, but anything else is toxic, and life shortening. Sorry, I didn't mean it as a toxin, chemically introduced foreign substance or anything, just as something that was not generally good for the well-being of the body. -Erwin Legaspi "All I have ever longed for in my life . . . a vision of God." - 9th and 10th century Sufi mystic Mansur Al-Hallaj "Intellect and intelligence do not go together. Intelligence is obtained only when the heart and mind reach an agreement." - Jiddu Krishnamurti --__--__-- Message: 4 From: To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:30:23 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] FMA styles and differences/The joys of Brotherhood Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello All .. May this posting to ED find you and your family in good health and happiness.. As I am traveling with limited access to my email please forgive the delayed response to this posting. Given the subject matter of this post I just had to reply with my own thoughts. Some time ago I issued a posting asking for information on any FMA schools/practioners in the Indiana/Ohio area as I'd be visiting in laws for the holidays and would have free time to train. My posting was fortunately answered by a classy individual/true martial artist and good human being Guru Mike Casto of Louisville, KY. Without any hesitation, Guru Mike answered my post to eskrima digest and we began corresponding and making plans to meet and train in nearby Dayton, Ohio over the holidays. As fate would have it, he was in the area to pay his respects to his instructor Guru Ken Pannell and participate in scheduled classes at the school. After a brief introduction to Guru Ken we proceeded to warm up and train in solo baston, doble baston, knife fighting and empty hand applications. Guru Ken is a dedicated and totally professional instructor who openly shared with everyone. After class, Guru Mike and I stayed to discuss review Harimaw Buno and Kun Tao in its various Pilipino and Indonesian forms. Garimot system practioners are easily identified by our preference of 'largo'(long range) structure. Gat Puno Abon openly teaches all 3 ranges, however, I've had been focusing on largo mano in my current training. It was a pleasure and a treat to work out with others besides my Garimot system brothers and see the beauty of FMA expressed differently. Guru Mike's influences have given him a impressive understanding of 'corto' (short range) even though he understands all 3 ranges. Together we were able to smile, laugh and train and openly discuss our similarities and our differences in a spirit of true FMA brotherhood. I truly wish that the joy of this brotherhood can be shared by all of us into the new year. I wish to openly thank both Guru Mike Casto (www.impactacademy.com) and Guru Ken Pannell (www.asianfightingarts.com) and his students for their friendship and open invitation to train with them when I'm in their area. The invitation to all of you is reciprocated when in the South Florida area. Please know that you now have "FMA brothers" in Miami/Ft. Lauderdale area. I would urge all interested in FMA to seek out these gentlemen and train with them or invite them to where you train when you can. I also wish to openly thank my instructor Gat Puno Abon Baet for always pushing me to be better than I believe I am, to openly cross train with other systems and styles and for showing by example always. I'm proud to be your friend and student. Thank you for making me part of your family. Training with Gat Puno Abon is also available for those individual who desire high level training in FMA. I am truly blessed to know all these individuals. Thanks for showing me the way. With deep respect, Guro Glenn Harris Garimot System USA Harimaw Buno Federation USA --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:06:23 -0800 (PST) From: Karol Krauser To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Eskrima in Bangkok Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I was in Bangkok a few months back and was looking to see the availability of Eskrima there. I did find some JKD methods through a group called Boxer Rebellion International. I am a Doce Pares practioner / insturctor who may be re-locating there and am trying to find out more about arts there. If any one has any information on Eskrima or Krabi Krabong as well it would be greatly appreciated. Karol Krauser --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --__--__-- Message: 6 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:18:38 -0200 From: "Nolan Hernandez" Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Arnis and Eskrima as Filipino Terms and You do what you Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net As a digest subscriber and a concerned reader, I thought I'd lend my opinion on this topic. Arnis, Escrima, & Kali are simply names. We should not make it more than it is. In a street fight, you are NOT going to concern yourself on which style is more effective: Inosanto Blend, Lameco Escrima, Modern Arnis, Villabrille-Kali, etc... Does it really matter if it is Arnis, Escrima, or Kali that you are using? Once in that situation, you will be more concerned about self-preservation and nothing else. And that is simply what martial arts is intended for: self-preservation and protection of your loved ones. Regardless of styles, Filipino or not. To quote Bruce Lee from his Tao of Jeet Kune Do, "If people say Jeet Kune Ko is different from 'this' or from 'that', then let the name of Jeet Kune Do be wiped out, for that is what it is, just a name. Please don't fuss over it." Have a safe and memorable Holiday season! Mabuhay kayong lahat! Nolan S. Hernandez ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:49:25 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re:Mongrel combatve Arts club Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 12/27/02 5:59:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: William Schultz" Anyone who has > trained with me will tell you that I will point out where a particular > strategy, technique or drill came from (give credit to person or system)and > will sometimes show differences or similarities between the different > styles > Or I mention Muay Thai and I get a look like I'm a nut who wants to plant an elbow or knee into their heads. Now, mind you, I haven't walked in to peoples schools saying something like; "I am ranked such and such and I want to teach FMA at your school!" I did send a few e-mails out when I first arrived to see if there would be an interest in learning FMA. I have just approached it like; "Hi. my name is... and I teach this and I'm looking to get together with some people and do some training and exchange ide William Schultz Philippine Combative Martial Arts Mongrel Combative Arts Club>>>>>>>> cut I have had the pleasure of meeting and Training with Bill Shultze and he is a great teacher and very motivational. I lve in Mass and it is worth the drive down to train with him. Anyone considering it should go! I wish I could clear my work schedule and get back to days to train with him! Jack O --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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