Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 03:01:46 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 9 #451 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Inay (1944-2000). http://SudludEskrima.com http://InayanEskrima.com/index.cfm See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Flips Disagreeing Among Ourselves Re FMA Terms (sika@postoffice.pacbell.net) 2. LOTR Martial Arts... (Jeff Harris) 3. RE: FMA styles and differences/The joys of Brotherhood (Mike Casto) 4. FMA magazine (Kyud-Arnis Balite) 5. Eskrima training in Middletown, NY area (Stephen Lamade) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 08:13:28 -0800 From: sika@postoffice.pacbell.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Flips Disagreeing Among Ourselves Re FMA Terms To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Flip was a derogatory term coined during the war by Americans, "f---ing little island people", over times it sways back and forth being good and bad but its roots are negative. Leo Salinel wrote: > Guro Marc, > > Hehehe, you're right. If only we Flips agreed among > ourselves in the first place. Well, I'm telling you, > the sad fact is that most (about 97%) of the famous > masters are unlettered and are what we here in the > Philippines call "no read no write"--that is, barely > literate enough to scratch their names laboriously > using a ballpen on a document. The few FMA masters who > are educated just aren't sociologists or historians or > adequately well versed in history and critical > thinking. I can recommend one very good FMA > instructor who is an anthropologist and a real > intellectual, being a professor at the University of > the Philippines (our country's own Harvard), Prof. > "Bot" Jocano, the son of one of the country's more > eminent pioneering anthropologists, Dr. F. Landa > Jocano, Ph.D. also of the U.P. He doesn't dismiss > "Kali" wholesale but admits, like me, that the term is > quite problematic, and he points out the same stuff > I've already pointed out. > > So let me rephrase my statement--if you non-Flips > wanna learn about FMA terms and concepts, without > getting muddled in what we Flips call "kwentong istir" > or "kwentong barbero" (tall tales and tongue-in-cheek > stories), then you should ask people like Dr. Ned > Nepangue, Prof. Bot Jocano, myself, and a lot of other > "relatively" more schooled Flips who also do FMA. > > BTW, is the term "Flip" derogatory in the States? > > Bart Hartmann is right. If you guys get here to the > country, you have to do things our way. You better > start off by not using the word "kali" but instead > using "arnis" or "escrima" (the latter if you're in > northern Mindanao or a Cebuano, Waray, or Boholano > provincial area; the first word if you're anywhere > else in the Philippines). > > Besides, in most regions/provinces, the FMA are known > by even more "strange" names--kaliradman, pagaradman, > pagkalikali, kalirongan, etc. BTW, don't you notice a > common element in the words I just mentioned, i.e., > the root word KALI? > > My kababayan who mentioned "kali" in "dimapakali" > forgot that the word is not actually "kali", rather > it's "mapakali" with a strong accent on the "i". > > BTW, any Ilocanos or Fil-Ams of Ilocano origin here > who has been to the Ilocos lately and can tell us some > "kabaroan" or "kadaanan" stories? > > ===== > Earn $$ just by receiving and reading email! http://www.resource-a-day.net/member/index.cgi?Brandon96 > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Jeff Harris" To: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:22:46 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] LOTR Martial Arts... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, fellow E-D listers! After having read this article.... http://ejmas.com/jtc/jtcart_klens_0602.htm ... I've decided that when I grow up I want to be an Elven swordsman! This statement is in the article: "There's one shot in which a broiling mass of Orcs charges at a line of Elves, and the Elves perform a synchronised upward slash with their swords, cutting the Orcs down in a kind of wave." I spotted that scene when the movie first came out, and I have watched it a couple of times since my daughter got the DVD. The sword in question looks like a smaller version of my Japanese nagimaki, and I think it would be a lot of fun to play with. It also bears a resemblance to some Maylaysian (sp) swords I've seen photos of. Too bad Christmas is already over... :( Having been filmed in New Zealand, and the gentleman's reference to Maori arts, I thought I would pass the URL along for anyone interested. Anyway, Happy New Year to all! Jeff Jeffery (Jeff) Harris JLHOnami@mchsi.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] FMA styles and differences/The joys of Brotherhood Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:20:29 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Glenn, Thanks for the kind words. It was a pleasure to meet and train with you. As we discussed that day, it's rare to find other open-minded people who are willing to share and always a joy when others are found. Mike -----Original Message----- From: chanoaim@bellsouth.net [mailto:chanoaim@bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 12:30 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] FMA styles and differences/The joys of Brotherhood Hello All .. May this posting to ED find you and your family in good health and happiness.. As I am traveling with limited access to my email please forgive the delayed response to this posting. Given the subject matter of this post I just had to reply with my own thoughts. Some time ago I issued a posting asking for information on any FMA schools/practioners in the Indiana/Ohio area as I'd be visiting in laws for the holidays and would have free time to train. My posting was fortunately answered by a classy individual/true martial artist and good human being Guru Mike Casto of Louisville, KY. Without any hesitation, Guru Mike answered my post to eskrima digest and we began corresponding and making plans to meet and train in nearby Dayton, Ohio over the holidays. As fate would have it, he was in the area to pay his respects to his instructor Guru Ken Pannell and participate in scheduled classes at the school. After a brief introduction to Guru Ken we proceeded to warm up and train in solo baston, doble baston, knife fighting and empty hand applications. Guru Ken is a dedicated and totally professional instructor who openly shared with everyone. After class, Guru Mike and I stayed to discuss review Harimaw Buno and Kun Tao in its various Pilipino and Indonesian forms. Garimot system practioners are easily identified by our preference of 'largo'(long range) structure. Gat Puno Abon openly teaches all 3 ranges, however, I've had been focusing on largo mano in my current training. It was a pleasure and a treat to work out with others besides my Garimot system brothers and see the beauty of FMA expressed differently. Guru Mike's influences have given him a impressive understanding of 'corto' (short range) even though he understands all 3 ranges. Together we were able to smile, laugh and train and openly discuss our similarities and our differences in a spirit of true FMA brotherhood. I truly wish that the joy of this brotherhood can be shared by all of us into the new year. I wish to openly thank both Guru Mike Casto (www.impactacademy.com) and Guru Ken Pannell (www.asianfightingarts.com) and his students for their friendship and open invitation to train with them when I'm in their area. The invitation to all of you is reciprocated when in the South Florida area. Please know that you now have "FMA brothers" in Miami/Ft. Lauderdale area. I would urge all interested in FMA to seek out these gentlemen and train with them or invite them to where you train when you can. I also wish to openly thank my instructor Gat Puno Abon Baet for always pushing me to be better than I believe I am, to openly cross train with other systems and styles and for showing by example always. I'm proud to be your friend and student. Thank you for making me part of your family. Training with Gat Puno Abon is also available for those individual who desire high level training in FMA. I am truly blessed to know all these individuals. Thanks for showing me the way. With deep respect, Guro Glenn Harris Garimot System USA Harimaw Buno Federation USA _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Kyud-Arnis Balite" To: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:31:09 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] FMA magazine Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net New issue of FMAmagazine will be sent out to subscribers and available next week. You can see what is in it at http://www.filipinomag.com/ --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Stephen Lamade" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:10:59 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Eskrima training in Middletown, NY area Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Dave, Re. "I would like to train win the art of escrima and am wondering if there are any schools in the Middletown NY area." Tuhon McGrath teaches a Pekiti Tirsia seminar, generally the second Saturday of every month, in Fishkill, NY. That is about 1/2 hour from you. Topics for 2003 will be stick and dagger. Best, Steve Lamade San Miguel Eskrima _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_virusprotection_3mf --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry, http://MartialArtsResource.com, http://Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of Eskrima Digest