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Today's Topics:

   1. RE: RE: Cause of Death (Mike Casto)
   2. Q's Question (Stovall, Craig)
   3. Re: Pronounciation of Eskrima (Bart Hubbard)
   4. (no subject) (Luis Pellicer)

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Message: 1
From: "Mike Casto" <sikal@yahoo.com>
To: <eskrima@martialartsresource.net>
Subject: RE: [Eskrima] RE: Cause of Death
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:59:18 -0500
Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net

As I understand it (and I could be mistaken), Edgar was 38 and died of a
heart attack ... and there was a long history of heart problems in his
family.

Anyone with any more details.

Mike

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From: Stovall, Craig [mailto:CStovall@nucorar.com]
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 9:19 AM
To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Cause of Death


The news of Grandmaster Lema, and the question as to the cause of his death
reminded me of something else.  I never heard the cause of Edgar Sulite's
passing.  I'm not sure how old he was, but it sure seems like he went well
before his time.  Can someone explain the circumstances of his death?  I
apologize for the morbid question, but at the time his passing came as
somewhat of a surprise to me and I never heard any of the details.
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Message: 2
From: "Stovall, Craig" <CStovall@nucorar.com>
To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:12:18 -0600
Subject: [Eskrima] Q's Question
Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net

Dr. Fung wrote,

<<<I have been exposed to it via his students.  It is the worst grappling I
ever felt.....Have you done any of this stuff Craig?>>>

My only "exposure" would be from back in the day when I was taught some of
the lock flow series from Shooto.  Of course, the lock flows as a training
method were created by Sayama and are not a training method of Gotch per se,
but I'm almost certain that the vast majority of the movements in the flows
are from Gotch's curriculum.  My greater exposure to grappling is through
BJJ, but I'm currently on hiatus from that.  I also have the 10 tape series
put out by Tony Cecchine, but he has his detractors that claim he's not the
real deal (Gotch being among them) and that much of what he shows is not
"legitimate" Catch.  It looks like good stuff to me, but I'm no expert on
grappling much less Catch.

<<<Sayama trained under gotch too I'm 90% sure of that.  What other
influence Sayama put into it to make it Shoot I do not know.>>>

According to Yuri Nakamura's Shooto training manual, Sayama added Sambo
learned from Victor Koga, Muay Thai from Fujiwara, as well as some elements
from Judo and Jiu-Jitsu.

I think it would be interesting to see some of Matt Furey's videos since he
started training with Gotch around 1999, and stayed with him for about 2
years.  His stuff is a bit pricey for my tastes, so I guess I'm not THAT
curious.  Anyone else seen any of Furey's Catch videos, and can attest to
how much of Gotch's "flavor" he captures?

Oh, almost forgot.  Assuming Mr. Denny has seen/done the Shooto at the
Inosanto Academy, maybe he can compare and contrast that training with the
BJJ of the Machados and others.  That would be cool (albeit non-FMA related,
LOL).

Thanks!

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Message: 3
From: "Bart Hubbard" <barthubbard@westsideeats.com>
To: <eskrima@martialartsresource.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:07:43 -0800
Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Pronounciation of Eskrima
Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net

Hey,

It's pronounced like this:

ess-KREE-ma

with an "ess" like in "Jessica", a "KREE" like in "creedo" or "cream", and a
"ma" like in "ma and pa kettle". The accent is on the second syllable. I
hope that helps.

Bart

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 18:10:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Luis Pellicer <custom1911@yahoo.com>
To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [Eskrima] (no subject)
Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net

//That is a very sad news ray, I send all
                                            my
condolences to his students
                      and family. GM Lema was
                                            a great
man. Infact I had read
                      one of his published
                                            books and
studied it just last
                      semester. When did GM
                                            Lema pass
away? What caused his
                      death?//

                       He passed away on Sunday the
5th. of January, at
                      about 11pm. He was cremated on
the 9th, his ashes will
                      brought to his brother who lives
in the United States.
                      He died of a hemmoraging gastro
ulcer, doctors wanted
                      to operate but given his age,
they didn't. This what I
                      heard at the wake, but given the
state of 3rd. world
                      medicine, you never can know.



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